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Old 03 Oct 2005, 20:59   #21
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Pitbull> the truth is out there somewhere, mai tii minte de unde vine asta? Te agitzi degeaba, nici tu, nici nimeni altcineva, nu poate demostra irefutabil ca ce scrie in Codul lui DaVinci e fals. Daca existau dovezi clare, erau facute publice de mult de bosorogii de la Vatican.
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Old 04 Oct 2005, 00:33   #22
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Unde-am zis eu, dom'le, cä-s false afirmatiile? Am zis doar cä romanul e TAMPIT - mai parcurge si tu o datä cronica de sus: l-am criticat exclusiv sub aspect literar. Altfel, unele afirmatii "senzationaliste" din el sunt adevärate (si cunoscute de mult, cel putin de cei preocupati), altele sunt fictive, si n-as avea nici o problemä cu ele, dacä aceastä îmbinare de realitate si fictiune ducea undeva (ca în prozele speculative bune). Da' nu duce nicäieri.
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Old 05 Oct 2005, 11:42   #23
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Originally Posted by Tudor.b:
Te agitzi degeaba, nici tu, nici nimeni altcineva, nu poate demostra irefutabil ca ce scrie in Codul lui DaVinci e fals. .

.si viceversa.
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Old 05 Oct 2005, 12:10   #24
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Originally Posted by Tudor.b:
Te agitzi degeaba, nici tu, nici nimeni altcineva, nu poate demostra irefutabil ca ce scrie in Codul lui DaVinci e fals. Daca existau dovezi clare, erau facute publice de mult de bosorogii de la Vatican.
Exista un documentar facut de cei de la Discovery. L-am vazut, dar nu am citit cartea. Oricum demonstrau clar ca 90% din ce scrie in Codul lui Da Vinci e apa de ploaie pentru ca pleaca de la niste ipoteze false. In roman aceste ipoteze sunt prezentate ca fapte.
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Old 05 Oct 2005, 13:15   #25
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baaaa, da' multe posturi la codul lui da vinci asta.. :shock:
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Old 05 Oct 2005, 14:32   #26
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Originally Posted by GhitzaCartitza:
demonstrau clar ca 90% din ce scrie in Codul lui Da Vinci e apa de ploaie pentru ca pleaca de la niste ipoteze false. In roman aceste ipoteze sunt prezentate ca fapte.
Iar asta înseamnä o documentatie ECLECTICA, de proportii enciclopedice si profunzime de-un deget.
Apropo de profunzime (sau... adâncime): va sä zicä, ideea "creatoare" a lui Dan Brown: cä mormântul Mariei Magdalena (recte Sfântul Graal - adicä tot clou-ul romanului) ar fi sub piramida rästurnatä de la Luvru. Dacä bäiatu' se ostenea sä mai sape putin (la propriu si/sau la figurat), ar fi descoperit cä sub piramida aia e un parking subteran cu trei etaje. Acolo-si lasä masinile äia de la muzeu! :lol:

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It seems you have a problem with the long trends lately... "Mr. Lazarescu's Death", now "Da Vinci Code"... How many replies for one topic are allowed, ô, Blossom of the Cherry Tree?
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 18:23   #27
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Author Dan Brown "astounded" at copying claim


By Mike Collett-White

LONDON (Reuters) - Author Dan Brown said on Monday he was "astounded" at allegations by two historians that he copied their work wholesale when he wrote the best-selling religious thriller "The Da Vinci Code.

In a statement released to reporters after he took the witness stand for the first time, the 41-year-old also pointed out that he credited the work of Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh in the body of his novel.

"I would like to restate that I remain astounded by the claimants' choice to file this plagiarism suit," he said.

"For them to suggest, as I understand they do, that I have hijacked and exploited their work is simply untrue.

The two historians, who have already given evidence, are suing Brown's British publisher Random House, which also publishes their own 1982 historical work "The Holy Blood, and the Holy Grail".

Both books deal with the theme of Jesus marrying and having a child by Mary Magdalene and their bloodline being protected by the mysterious Priory of Sion, a theory that has been greeted with outrage by some Catholic leaders.

But Random House's lawyers say the ideas are too general to protect by copyright, there are many differences between the two books and that Brown drew on a number of sources.

The U.S. author was asked during cross-examination about his working practices and those of his wife Blythe, who helped research books including The Da Vinci Code. She emerges as a key source both of his research and his ideas.

"If I did actually read all she asked me to read, I probably would never have written the book," he said.

Wearing a yellow tie, blue shirt and blue jacket, and watched by the world's media in a packed courtroom, the millionaire author appeared relaxed as the case entered its third, and possibly final week.

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Referring to the allegations of copyright infringement made against him, Brown added in the statement: "(They) contain numerous sweeping statements which seem to me to be completely fanciful.

"Messieurs Baigent and Leigh are only two of a number of authors who have written about the bloodline story and yet I went out of my way to mention them for being the ones who brought the theory to mainstream attention.

In the novel, one of Brown's main characters is Leigh Teabing -- whose name is an anagram of "Leigh" and "Baigent" -- and he refers directly to The Holy Blood in the narrative.

Brown's 69-page witness statement describes how he and Blythe struggled to make ends meet during his early days as a writer, and how he composed the main synopsis of The Da Vinci Code in a cramped laundry room in his parents' house.

He also says he wakes up at 4 a.m. every morning.

"In addition to starting early, I keep an antique hour glass on my desk and every hour break briefly to do push-ups, sit-ups, and some quick stretches," he adds. "I find this helps keep the blood (and ideas) flowing.

With an estimated 40 million copies of The Da Vinci Code sold world-wide, and the potential for an important copyright precedent to be set, the stakes are high at London's High Court.

But the proceedings are not expected to affect a major Hollywood adaptation of the book starring Tom Hanks, which is due for release in May.

Last August, Brown won a court ruling against another writer, Lewis Perdue, who claimed The Da Vinci Code copied elements of two of his novels, "Daughter of God" and "The Da Vinci Legacy.

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Old 13 Mar 2006, 20:54   #28
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Codul lui Da Vinci-O modalitate foarte buna de a face niste bani.Si pentru mine subiectul este destul de jenant si nu pot sa inteleg cum a putut lua atata amploare in intreaga lume.Toate probele din carte sunt irelevante.Am vazut si documentarul The Real Da Vinci Code si aici aceaiasi poveste toate dovezile pornesc de la tablouri,ca ala tinea mana asa si ala tinea capul pe spate si ca ala din spate se basea pentru ca se vede panza mai adurita in dreptul curului.Daca asta e capodopera mai apucativa fratilor de citit pentru mine nu e decat o telenovela penala sau o laba de manea.
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 21:08   #29
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Originally Posted by qwerty:
... ala din spate se basea pentru ca se vede panza mai aburita in dreptul curului.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Cea mai la fix concluzie, despre maneaua asta cu staif!
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Old 14 Apr 2006, 02:17   #30
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Originally Posted by GhitzaCartitza:
Originally Posted by Tudor.b:
Te agitzi degeaba, nici tu, nici nimeni altcineva, nu poate demostra irefutabil ca ce scrie in Codul lui DaVinci e fals. Daca existau dovezi clare, erau facute publice de mult de bosorogii de la Vatican.
Exista un documentar facut de cei de la Discovery. L-am vazut, dar nu am citit cartea. Oricum demonstrau clar ca 90% din ce scrie in Codul lui Da Vinci e apa de ploaie pentru ca pleaca de la niste ipoteze false. In roman aceste ipoteze sunt prezentate ca fapte.


iti garantez ca la sfarsitul documentar-ului trebuia sa apara si ceva de genul "thank you Vatican for colaboration"...hai sa fim seriosi, acel documentar e foarte ambiguu nu demonstraza nici ca e adevarata dar nici ca e falsa ipoteza lui dan brown
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Old 15 Apr 2006, 00:17   #31
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bine, fratilor ortodocsi & catolici!
"Codul lui Da Vinci" e o fictiune antrenant-captivanta and, of course, blasfematorie in care nu credeti (am tot respectul pt necredinciosi! , dar, de ce credeti voi (si ne refuzati noua - daca pluralul deranjeaza, va rog sa cititi aici: "imi refuzati mie..." - dreptul de a ne indoi) ca Biblia e adevarul curat, aproape sublim?
nu e. e doar o alta - mai veche - fictiune cu care ne-am obisnuit...
timpul trece si "adevarul" fictiunilor credincios-necredincioase iese la suprafata. uite ca aparu - credibila! - si "Evanghelia lui Iuda" (excelent personaj!).
astept (sper sa apuc!) si "Evanghelia Mariei Magdalena" (m-as multumi si c-un jurnal, asa fragmente de... blog...)
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Old 15 Apr 2006, 00:40   #32
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Auleooo, Herbie, iar începi!
Las-cä-ti iau eu Ipeu', si adresa, si vin si te pândesc, si-atuncea, la discutzion face to face, sä te väd eu pe unde mai scoti chimesha!
(Argumentele le-aduc în ruxac, iar berea, în culär.)
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Old 15 Apr 2006, 00:53   #33
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ehehehei!
cum stai tu de paza la Portile Credintei!
nu m-as mira sa aud ca pleci cu jiji bekakali la Muntele Athos...
eu propun - daca ne vedem in viatza asta - sa bem un vin bun. stiu eu de care. toti care au baut au ramas incantati. iti dau sa citesti fragmente din "Jurnalul Mariei Magdalena" (pe bune!)
asa sa ne ajute Dumnezeu
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Old 15 Apr 2006, 01:53   #34
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Iuda (excelent personaj!)
yup, de vazut aici si aici (varianta 2000 a nu se confunda cu varianta 3000 )
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Old 15 Apr 2006, 03:31   #35
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Originally Posted by herbert:
eu propun - daca ne vedem in viatza asta - sa bem un vin bun.
Bold and Italic are the words!
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am citit cartea dupa ce am vazut documentaru si mi sa parut interesanta si am citit-o , insa am citit si alte cartii de dan brown si mi sa parut interesanta , unele chestii din carte sunt adevarate , insa unele sunt doar fictiune asa ca degeaba spun unii ca ii naspha , inseamna ca aia nu au citit-o sau nu a inteles ce vrea autorul sa spuna despre ea. eu mi-am spus parerea si doar asta conteaza
P.S. scrie in carte ca ii doar fictiune , ptr ce-i care cred ca aceasta carte ii o prostie[/u][/b]
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Originally Posted by joana_18:
am citit cartea dupa ce am vazut documentaru si mi sa parut interesanta si am citit-o , insa am citit si alte cartii de dan brown si mi sa parut interesanta ,
am citit cartea fara sa vad documentaru si mi sa parut neinteresanta si am citit-o , insa nu am citit si alte cartii de dan brown si tot nu mi sa parut interesanta ,
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degeaba spun unii ca ii naspha , inseamna ca aia nu au citit-o sau nu a inteles ce vrea autorul sa spuna despre ea.
eu spun ca ii naspha , inseamna ca eu nu am citit-o sau nu am inteles ce vrea autorul sa spuna despre ea?
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unele chestii din carte sunt adevarate ,
Da? :?
Originally Posted by joana_18:
insa unele sunt doar fictiune
Da. :hmm: :sleep:
Originally Posted by joana_18:
eu mi-am spus parerea si doar asta conteaza
Daaa!!! :w00t: :lol:
Originally Posted by joana_18:
P.S. scrie in carte ca ii doar fictiune , ptr ce-i care cred ca aceasta carte ii o prostie[/u][/b]
eu is dtr ce-i care cred ca aceasta care ii o prostie de fictiune . [/u][/b]
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Old 22 Apr 2006, 08:42   #38
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Bart D. Ehrman - "Adevar si fictiune in Codul lui DaVinci" Editura Humanitas.

Un studiu mai mult decat pertinent asupra adevarului istoric in ceea ce priveste o parte din evenimentele la care se face referire in bestsellerul lui Dan Brown. Autorul stabileste inca de la inceput ca nu contesta valoarea artistica a romanului dar subliniaza ca Brown nu si-a facut foarte bine temele speculand niste notiuni care pot fi considerate adevarate de publicul neavizat. Fiind un istoric al religiilor cu un CV impresionant, Ehrman demonteaza cateva din ipotezele care alcatuiesc intriga codului, folosindu-se de dovezi si adevaruri istorice clare. In speta este vorba despre afirmatiile facute de Leigh Tabbling in legatura cu scrierea Bibliei, Manuscrisele de la Marea Moarta, Documentul Q, influenta imparatului Constantin in formarea cultului crestin, persoana lui Iisus Hristos si relatia acestuia cu Maria Magdalena. Repet, Ehrman nu face interpretari personale ci prezinta adevarul istoric obiectiv cunoscut de specialistii in domeniu din ziua de azi. Cartea este scrisa pentru public larg (ceva in genul "The Complete Idiot's Guide" ceea ce poate fi putin cam iritant) dar e de foarte mult bun-simt si poate deschide mintea celor care au luat de bun romanul lui Dan Brown.

Omul este un istoric al religiilor iar comentariile sale asupra cartii se opresc la domeniul lui de specialitate. Ehrman nu se leaga de societatile secrete, de operele de arta codificate de Leonardo Davinci sau de conexiunile realizate de Brown intre divesre personalitati istorice si Sfantul Graal. Domeniul lui de analiza priveste viziunea eronata pe care o ofera autorul "Codului lui DaVinci" in legatura cu formarea si legalizarea cultului crestin precum si in legatura cu personajul ISTORIC Iisus Hristos. El nu ia doar afirmatiile lui Brown si le comenteaza, ci pornind de la el realizeaza o ampla analiza a proto-crestinismului. De exemplu, cartea ofera raspunsul corect la o intrebare la care multi raspund gresit din ignoranta: "Cine a scris cele patru Evanghelii?"
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Old 22 Apr 2006, 10:44   #39
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daca e atit de clar o 'fictiune', de ce sint atit de nervoshi drept-credincioshii atunci cind se refera la ea??
eu am citit-o (n-am vazut documentaru) si, desi stiam k e fictiune, mi-as fi dorit sa fie pe bune... what a good story!

dar ce parere aveti dspr 'evanghelia dupa iuda'?...
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E interesant de observat cine sunt "drept-credinciosii". Stalpii bisericii au repins din start ipotezele lui Brown dar ,din pacate pentru ei, stalpii bisericii si-au cam pierdut credibilitatea. Chiar in "Dilema Veche" de saptamana asta, Robert Turcescu semneaza un articol despre "Codul lui DaVinci" in care subliniaza ca unii dintre cei mai ferventi aparatori ai romanului nu au intors in viata lor o fila a Evangheliei.

Din pacate nu am prins documentarul de pe National Geographic si sper sa-l vad cand va fi reluat. In cartea recomandata in postul meu anterior, Ehrman are o discutie foarte interesanta in legatura cu Evanghelia dupa Iuda, amintind si de "The Last Temptation of Christ", controversatul film al lui Scorsese.
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