Cultura Cinematografica -- Cum se face?

[MinRep]

CUltura Cinematografica s eface intr-un singur mod: cea reala si profunda, adica...Trecand admiterea la UNATC...Asta face diferenta intre un amateur, si un profi. Si au sosit timpurile sa se mai astampere putin amatorii, toti se ricep la de toate, etc...E anul 2005! Wake up!

Nu-mi place sa fac parte dintr-un val de cinemagisti care se iau de un nou-venit, dar cu afirmatiile de mai sus nu sunt de acord. Daca nu ai cultura cinematografica decat daca esti absolvent al UNATC, atunci cultura muzicala - de exemplu - cum se face? La Conservator? Sa fim seriosi! Baza culturii cinematografice se face in sala de cinematograf...

[nume]

Baza culturii cinematografice se face in sala de cinematograf...

Bingo !
Giulica sa ne zici si noua cand intri la Atf. Pa!

[notorious]

Baza culturii cinematografice se face in sala de cinematograf...

sau, cum e mai la moda, in fata calculatorului. eu cred ca in romania oferta cinematografelor iti face foarte grea (daca nu imposibila) formarea unei culturi cinematografice de baza. ar fi cinematecile (in bucuresti, union si eforie) care, pana acum, s-au straduit sa ne ofere ceva visconti, fellini, tarkovski, pudovkin, godard, truffaut etc, insa conditiile de vizionare sunt afroase: sonorizarea este groaznica, pelicula este uzata (la psycho, de exemplu, a fost taiat genericul - care este simpatic, iar muzica lui hermann este cat se poate de creepy) si de multe ori subtitrarea, de altfel sublima, lipseste cu desavarsire. or, cum poate fi vizionat, de exemplu, 'andrei rubliov' fara traducere ??

piata neagra vine cu niste versiuni restaurate, titrate (macar in engleza !) si, mai ales, ieftine - un cd pe piata neagra ne costa cat un bilet la eforie. si astfel, filmul poate fi vazut & revazut.

[nume]

@Giulika
Unde esti fata mea critic ? Mi-au placut datele din profil, m-am ras ! :lol:

Vezi ca mai era unu' Sourrond (parca), care-si aducea umile contributii forumului unatc pe la "film romanesc". Incearca pe acolo ...

[MinRep]

sau, cum e mai la moda, in fata calculatorului. eu cred ca in romania oferta cinematografelor iti face foarte grea (daca nu imposibila) formarea unei culturi cinematografice de baza. ar fi cinematecile [...] insa conditiile de vizionare sunt afroase

mda... Din pacate, ai dreptate... "Sala de cinematograf" incepe sa aiba rol testicular pe langa avantajele CD-urilor pirat cu filme mari (chiar daca la calitate mai redusa) si a DVD-urilor (cu super-calitate). Adica, la cinema incepi sa vezi mai mult productiile din ziua de azi destinate maselor, rareori cate un film in care chiar merita investit un anumit grad de... atentie.

[KORBEN]

Salutare!

Legat de subiect, 'Cultura Cinematografica' se face numai folosind documentarele de pe DVD-ul original. Poti sa observi, astfel, calatoria pe care o parcurg echipa si actorii.

IM_BE_CIL

[radu83]

saruman, check this out:

Uite, mai jos ai sfaturile lui Matt Herman, luate de pe amazon.com. Mai sint postate undeva pe site, insa mi-e lene sa apelez la motorul de cautare, care e varza. Cit din ele e ironie si cit e pe bune, decizi tu. Eu, unul, mi-am facut cultura cinematografica mergind des la sala.

With the invention of the Internet (thanks, Al Gore!), international communication is at an all-time high. Amidst this free-wheeling discourse, there is much talk about film: the cinema, motion pictures, flicks, pics, good ol' movies. Perhaps you have found yourself at various critical websites, like FilmHead.com, or discussion groups on Yahoo, or even that venerable newsgroup rec.arts.movies. Have you been afraid to express your opinions, or even intimidated by others' apparent knowledge? Well, fear no longer. Most of these film buffs out there are mere poseurs, and now you can be one of them. What I will present you is a list of items that you can buy (or rent) so that you can share your half-baked notions in no time.

First, to be a contemporary Film-Buff Poseur (FBP), you have to own a DVD player. You may be reluctant to buy into this technology because of your rational fear that it will become obsolete. Well, the first thing you need to learn is to shed your rationality and just buy one. The top-selling DVD player on Amazon is the 'Philips DVP642 DivX-Certified Progressive-Scan DVD Player' because it has all the features you need and it's pretty cheap. Trust me, you'll be spending more than that in DVDs soon.

You have the tool, now let's use it...

With your rationality buried, you must now free yourself of shame. It's not your fault that you haven't seen 'Citizen Kane (Two-Disc Special Edition)'. You've only had your whole life to see The Greatest Film Ever Made. It's not like they show it on Comedy Central between reruns of Saturday Night Live. Now you'll own it -- only lightweights rent it.

You'll probably notice that it comes with two discs. Well, all important DVDs have been shipped with an extra disc of "Special Features" since 'Fight Club'. It is very important that you watch all these documentaries, featurettes, and production-note slides so that you can have all the behind-the-scenes chestnuts that FBPs regularly spit out.

Now that you've seen and learned all about The Greatest Film Ever Made, you can start throwing around terms like "deep focus", "carte blanche", and "final cut".

But the most important term you must add to your arsenal is "auteur". It's another French word, and you'll soon have to use a lot of French just to express your most basic thoughts. This is because, as an FBP, you must worship Francois Truffaut. You probably know him as the French scientist guy in 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind (Two-Disc Collector's Edition)', but he was also one of the most important film critics and directors of the 20th Century. He formulated the Auteur Theory as a critic, along with his French colleagues, based on the fact that the best directors are the real authors of their films and that even a bad film by a good director has some worth. This is based on people like "Kane" director Orson Welles, Alfred Hitchcock ('Vertigo (Collector's Edition)'), and Jean Renoir ('Grand Illusion - Criterion Collection'). Then Truffaut put his money where his mouth was and made 'The 400 Blows'. As an FBP, this is the only French film you need to see.

Then there's Federico Fellini's '8 1/2 - Criterion Collection'. This is the only other European film you need to see, as all the other languages are spoken in it, and it encompasses all that self-conscious surrealism that's in all those great European films of the Mid-20th Century. You won't need to worry about any European films made after 1968, but you will need to dabble in...

The Asian Cinema

As far as any FBP is concerned, there are only two directors in the history of Asian Cinema. The first is the dead Japanese one: Akira Kurosawa. There are only two Kurosawa films that you need to see. The first is 'Rashomon - Criterion Collection'. It's one of the first films that shows the same event from different biased perspectives, which has become quite common. Now when you see a film like 'Courage Under Fire', you can say, "That was so Rashomon". After that, you only need to see Kurosawa's 'Seven Samurai - Criterion Collection', which is long enough to make up for not seeing any more of his films. You'll now be fully qualified to say that all Western directors steal from him, specifically George Lucas.

The other Asian director you need to worry about is the living Chinese one: John Woo. You've probably seen some of his American films, like 'Face/Off' and 'Mission Impossible 2', but soon you'll be able to scoff at them, saying they're over-budgeted and lack the soul of his Hong Kong films. This stance will be based entirely on seeing one film: 'Hard Boiled - Criterion Collection'.

Now that you're all caught up with the international scene and The Greatest Film Ever Made, you're ready to explore the most important area of FBP expertise:

Contemporary American Film

It is important to recognize the holy trinity of Martin Scorsese films: 'Taxi Driver (Collector's Edition)', 'Raging Bull', and 'GoodFellas'. You must insist that Scorsese is The Greatest Living Director, now that Stanley Kubrick ('2001 - A Space Odyssey') is dead. To back this up, you need to mention Scorsese's first important film, 'Mean Streets', but it's not important to actually see it.

You must lament the fact that Francis Ford Coppola stopped making great films after 'Apocalypse Now', that there were no good American films made in the 1980s (despite the fact that it's the era from which you've seen the most films), and you must take a stance on Steven Spielberg.

Yes, Spielberg, the most successful director of our time. Privately, of course, you love all of his films, but you have to decide what you say in public -- either that he's the Bard of our time, giving us sensitive portrayals of humanity ('Schindler's List (Widescreen Edition)'), or that he's single-handedly destroying Western culture ('Hook'). A true FBP cannot have an opinion that is not extreme. Other FBPs will doubt you if you appear balanced.

And now, we must look toward the future...

Hangin' at the Art House

If you have gone to the mall to see a film since the release of 'Pulp Fiction (Collector's Edition)', you cannot let anybody know. The only films you see now must be exclusively screened in art houses with bad sound systems and an espresso bar. One of your best friends should be a projectionist at one of these art houses, and then you must boast that you no longer pay to see films.

You will now tout the work of Todd Solondz ('Storytelling') and Darren Aronofsky ('Requiem for a Dream (Director's Cut)') as some of the few people who make interesting films now. You will insist on only seeing their films in the form of unrated Director's Cuts and complain about the MPAA's unfair double standard when it comes to art films. You will no longer see anything produced by a major studio unless Philip Seymour Hoffman is in the cast ('Almost Famous').

Now you are ready to unleash your new-found status on the world. Start your own website. Post snarky comments on discussion groups. Invade chatrooms and dominate the conversation with your own pontification. Drive by your local Blockbuster and sneer at the unwashed masses inside while you're on the way to your local independent video store. In fact, you should submit an application to that video store. Maybe, one day, you could be the next Quentin Tarantino.

PS: Vezi ca pe amazon a aparut si partea a doua a culegerii pentru gourmetii-de-buzunar.

[Gaandalf]

mda... Din pacate, ai dreptate... "Sala de cinematograf" incepe sa aiba rol testicular pe langa avantajele CD-urilor pirat cu filme mari (chiar daca la calitate mai redusa) si a DVD-urilor (cu super-calitate). Adica, la cinema incepi sa vezi mai mult productiile din ziua de azi destinate maselor, rareori cate un film in care chiar merita investit un anumit grad de... atentie.

Nu vreau sa zic ca nu aveti dreptate dar ...
pe anul 2004 Cluj a avut cei mai multi spectatori la cinematograf, pe locul 2 Bucuresti (surprinzator) iar restul neinteresant pana ajung la ceea ce pe mine ma intereseaza... Constanta care nu mai are decat un Multiplex penal la care vad numai filme de'al de Blade Trinity si Ocean's 12 si Walking Tall. Este revoltator ...

Asa ca mai bine ma duc si cumpar 2 dvd-uri si le umplu cu 12 filme si vad acasa pana imi ies pe urechi. Nu eu a trebuit sa recurg la piraterie ci persoanele care nu au fost in stare sa mentina cinematografele in picioare m-au impins spre zac in ilegalitate.

[Longshot]

Nu eu a trebuit sa recurg la piraterie ci persoanele care nu au fost in stare sa mentina cinematografele in picioare m-au impins spre zac in ilegalitate.

zici ca sunt de vina cei care nu mentin in picioare cinematografele. dar cinematografele nu raman in picioare datorita lipsei spectatorilor. si cat timp interesul romanilor pentru filme se rezuma la bashinile lui don the dragon wilson o sa ramana la fel. si asha ajungem la educatie. americanii(oricand de batuti in cap ar fi) se duc saptamanal la film in timp ce la noi, filmul e privit ori ca o metoda de a vedea gratuit shuturi in gura si tzatze siliconate (la tv) ori ca "hai sa ardem timpul ca tot nu am gasit nici un italian/arab sa mi-o traga in seara asta" (fufele din multiplex).
dar macar cinema-urile din mall-uri au spectatori.

[Longshot]

...

[Gaandalf]

... in timp ce la noi, filmul e privit ori ca o metoda de a vedea gratuit shuturi in gura si tzatze siliconate (la tv) ori ca "hai sa ardem timpul ca tot nu am gasit nici un italian/arab sa mi-o traga in seara asta" (multiplex).

:lol: :lol: :lol:

dar macar cinema-urile din mall-uri au spectatori

poate la voi in Bucuresti ca la noi e dezastru ... nu vine nici dracu' ...

[Nae]

@Longshot
nu compara Romania cu America. acolo exista o adevarata cultura a cinematografelor.. si asta e de 100 de ani, adica din timpul 'Nickel-Odeoanelor'. in romania n-a existat asa ceva.
atata timp cat pirateria va fi mai ieftina (si mai comoda, daca ne gandim la scaunele de la Studio in Bucuresti) decat vizionarea la cinema a unui film, cinematografele o s-o duca rau in Romania....
totusi, cred ca fiecare din cei de pe forum o sa recunoasca ca vizionarea unui film la un cinematograf bun (comod si modern) este de n-ori mai misto decat cea din fata comp/tv-ului.

[Longshot]

dap, asta ziceam si eu. traditia aia de 100 de ani, mentalitatea. astea lipsesc la noi. si se aplica la mult mai multe lucruri decat cinematograful.dar hai ca dau in derizoriu.
treaba cu pretul e relativa, peste tot oricat de ieftin ar fi biletul, o copie bootleg e mai ieftina.
subscriu la ideea cu scaunele de la studio :sick: cat si la cea cu superioritatea cinema-ului fata de orice alte forme de vizionare.
dar ... gol steaua. hehe. away

[SarumanTheWhite]

IM_BE_CIL

Cu acuzari pentru mine! Romania asta... plina de persoane care nu gasesc alta placere infara de a insulta pe un forum. Viata voastra trebuie sa fie foarte plictisitoare

[SarumanTheWhite]

saruman, check this out:

PS: Vezi ca pe amazon a aparut si partea a doua a culegerii pentru gourmetii-de-buzunar.

[/quote]

am explicat deja ca ma refeream la un anume film dat. voi chiar nu pricepeti? trebuie sa explic de 2-3 ori acelasi motiv?

[Longshot]

bai da' ce dracu, trebuia neaparat sa dai quote la toata aia. p*** mea, putin respect pentru scroll wheel-ul de la shobolanu meu

[SarumanTheWhite]

bai da' ce dracu, trebuia neaparat sa dai quote la toata aia. p*** mea, putin respect pentru scroll wheel-ul de la shobolanu meu

Se pare ca, KORBEN nu respecta nici oamenii. Eu imi cere scuze Sobolanului tau si o sa editez postul.

[keyzer soze]

ca, KORBEN

:lol:

[SarumanTheWhite]

Nici un detaliu nu va scapa. Oricum dupa 'ca' se pune virgula, indiferent daca este cacofonie sau nu.

[MinRep]

Oricum dupa 'ca' se pune virgula, indiferent daca este cacofonie sau nu.

Nu mai spune... :sick: