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Old 12 Jun 2009, 14:30   #101
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@als: am mai zis-o cand veni vorba de Agora: "crestinii" care au ucis sau au facut alte porcarii au facut-o in ciuda Crestinismului care le cerea explicit sa nu ucida si sa nu faca nedreptate altora. Nu e vinovat Crestinismul pentru psihopatii care au inventat Inchizitia, de exemplu. Acestia s-au folosit de numele lui Hristos dar au actionat impotriva Lui. Pe cand regii care au torturat sistematic crestini au facut-o pentru ca voiau sa starpeasca (daca le-ar fi fost cu putinta) religia Crestina in sine si sa descurajeze orice aderarea la ea (prejudiciile aduse lor de aceasta religie erau majore: sclavagismul, inegalitatea "born-with" intre clase, etc erau stalpii de sustinere ai monarhiei lor).
Nu e asa o mare diferenta intre regii precrestini care persecutau si inchizitie, motivele sunt cam aceleasi. Inchizitia voia cu orice chip sa cenzureze orice opinie nesanctionata de biserica. De ce crezi ca in sec XVI au ars pe rug luterani? Pentru ca propovaduiau idei care nu corespundeau intereselor bisericii catolice, asa ca s-au chinuit sa-i starpeasca ca sa nu mai adune adepti.

OK dar Inchizitia nu ERA Biserica, Inchizitia SE CREDEA (eronat) Biserica. Crestinismul e religia / filosofia / institutia unde se RESPECTA principiile lui Hristos. Tortura si uciderea nu fac parte in nici un caz din acele principii.

pai inchizitia nu era o arma de "supunere" folosita de Biserica?
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Old 12 Jun 2009, 14:42   #102
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Originally Posted by miercuri:
De ce crezi ca in sec XVI au ars pe rug luterani?

Vedeti, deci chiar si crestinii au fost victime ale Inchizitiei!Sa nu mai facem confuzie intre institutia bisericii si crestini, in general. Nu acuz biserica, dar realitatea este ca au fost destui in interiorul ei care nu au avut comportament crestinesc. Iar inchizitorii numai crestini nu se pot numi. Sau, ma rog, depinde din ce punct de vedere abordam notiunea "crestin"!
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Old 12 Jun 2009, 14:44   #103
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@als: am mai zis-o cand veni vorba de Agora: "crestinii" care au ucis sau au facut alte porcarii au facut-o in ciuda Crestinismului care le cerea explicit sa nu ucida si sa nu faca nedreptate altora. Nu e vinovat Crestinismul pentru psihopatii care au inventat Inchizitia, de exemplu. Acestia s-au folosit de numele lui Hristos dar au actionat impotriva Lui. Pe cand regii care au torturat sistematic crestini au facut-o pentru ca voiau sa starpeasca (daca le-ar fi fost cu putinta) religia Crestina in sine si sa descurajeze orice aderarea la ea (prejudiciile aduse lor de aceasta religie erau majore: sclavagismul, inegalitatea "born-with" intre clase, etc erau stalpii de sustinere ai monarhiei lor).
Nu e asa o mare diferenta intre regii precrestini care persecutau si inchizitie, motivele sunt cam aceleasi. Inchizitia voia cu orice chip sa cenzureze orice opinie nesanctionata de biserica. De ce crezi ca in sec XVI au ars pe rug luterani? Pentru ca propovaduiau idei care nu corespundeau intereselor bisericii catolice, asa ca s-au chinuit sa-i starpeasca ca sa nu mai adune adepti.

OK dar Inchizitia nu ERA Biserica, Inchizitia SE CREDEA (eronat) Biserica. Crestinismul e religia / filosofia / institutia unde se RESPECTA principiile lui Hristos. Tortura si uciderea nu fac parte in nici un caz din acele principii.

pai inchizitia nu era o arma de "supunere" folosita de Biserica?

OK, nuantez: Cei care se foloseau de Inchizitie ca de o "arma de supunere" nu respectau principiile Bisericii deci NU ERAU Biserica, dar poate ar fi bine sa ne oprim aici ca ne indepartam de filmele horror.

On topic: A vazut cineva Cannibal Holocaust ? Alt film la care nu am citit decat synopsisul (enough to get me nausea all day long). Dupa asta chiar mi-am propus sa nu mai citesc sinopsisuri de horror in viata mea. Iar la vazut o sa ma rezum la cele gen Aliens, Nosferatu, The Birds, etc in care accentul nu cade pe gore.
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On topic: A vazut cineva Cannibal Holocaust ? Alt film la care nu am citit decat synopsisul (enough to get me nausea all day long). Dupa asta chiar mi-am propus sa nu mai citesc sinopsisuri de horror in viata mea. Iar la vazut o sa ma rezum la cele gen Aliens, Nosferatu, The Birds, etc in care accentul nu cade pe gore.

Cannibal Holocaust e un film cult...intr-adevar nu e pt oricine...e un exploit extrem, gory, obscen, visceral, in spatele caruia se ascund chestiuni interesante

trebuie doar sa poti sa privesti dincolo de brutalitate...and for that it takes a strong stomach
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Old 12 Jun 2009, 15:26   #105
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da, recunosc. stomacul nu e organul meu forte cand vine vorba de unele filme.
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Old 12 Jun 2009, 15:29   #106
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si desigur nu are rost sa-ti fortezi stomacul mai mult decat trebe...ca dupa aia face bubu
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Old 12 Jun 2009, 15:32   #107
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precisely

"This is not a film that is watched, it is a film that is endured, and audiences that have any doubts about their ability to do so are best advised to follow their instincts. " (allmovie.com)
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Old 12 Jun 2009, 16:19   #108
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Horror

Cel mai prost de departe este Dawn of the Dead
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Old 12 Jun 2009, 16:52   #109
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hm...sunt doua...de care zici? si de ce?
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Old 12 Jun 2009, 17:23   #110
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Mie mi s-a mai parut o porcarie si The Hills have eyes.
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Mai adaug si " HOSTEL 1 si 2 " aiurea.
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Eu am fost super dezamagita de "The hills have eyes",plus ca dupa asta asteptam ca Aja sa ne aduca ceva care sa ne inchida gurile,dar nu a fost asa,"Mirrors" m-a lasat rece.
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Si Mirrors e asa si asa . Nu pot spune ca nu au fost unele faze aiurea .
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Fritt vilt (2006)

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un horror care nu pune nimic pe masa
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Old 31 Jul 2009, 10:25   #117
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The First Power (1990)
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Adaug si Zombie Town . Ce crap e !! omg .. i`ve seen better movies with zombies ...
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The Blair witch project-in opinia mea nu ias da nici titlul de Al mai prost horror:
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The Blair Witch ... nu a fost chiat atat de rau , ba chiar a fost bunicel , pentru un film cu un buget redus ce a incercat sa sugereze trauma unor tineri regizori !

Un Horror foarte prost , execrabil chiar : Prom night ( 2008 )
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