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Old 16 Jul 2009, 10:55   #61
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Originally Posted by dansatorul_polimorf:
Prima parte e in regula, a doua e execrabila. Stratagemele de manipulare sentimentala sint atit de evidente. Inspirat puternic din Cidade de Deus, dar nu-i ajunge nici pina la calcii. Iar de cind s-a umplut de premii, nu pot sa-l mai suport. L-am asteptat foarte entuziast pentru ca si eu am fost la "Vrei sa fii..." dar am fost dezamagit.

Eu nu pricep de unde vine comparatia asta. Tema cu drogurile si ilegalitatea in Slumdog e oricum in planul doi (daca nu chiar mai jos), in timp ce la Cidade de Deus e esenta filmului. Plus ca nu-mi amintesc ca Boyle sa fi afirmat ca vrea sa realizeze un film in genul Cidade de Deus. Deci de unde si pana unde? Da, ok, au actiunea in tari cu mari diferente intre clase sociale... si in plus se concentreaza pe un personaj sarac care e indragostit. De aici insa, si pana la a spune ca e "'puternic inspirat" mie mi se pare cale lunga.
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Old 16 Jul 2009, 11:04   #62
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Originally Posted by saureign:
un film de care nu-si va mai aduce aminte nimeni la anul.
Are o singura chestie de tinut -minte: cum vine copchilu' ala murdar de rahat si cere un autograf. In rest, cat se poate de anodin.

Ma tem ca principiul dupa care se uita filmele premiate nu tine cont de valoare. De exemplu cred ca lumea tine mine ca "Pe aripile vantului" si "Titanic" sunt castigatori de Oscaruri, dar deja a uitat ca No Country for Old Men a castigat acum un an jumate.

Si nici bugetul mare si promovarea nu sunt neaparat un criteriu intrucat si "Lord of the Rings" mi se pare ca e relativ uitat. Si oricum nu vad prea multa lume uitandu-se la LOTR din simplul motiv ca ar fi castigat 11 Oscaruri.

Eu zic ca e vorba si de cum se prezinta filmul. Oricat de interesante sau dragute au fost Million Dollar Baby respectiv Shakespeare in Love, tot filme ca Chicago sau Slumdog Millionaire raman in memorie datorita fortei lor.
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Old 16 Jul 2009, 12:29   #63
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Originally Posted by ricutza:
Plus ca nu-mi amintesc ca Boyle sa fi afirmat ca vrea sa realizeze un film in genul Cidade de Deus.
Atat Slumdog cat si Cidade de Deus au la baza o carti scrise de autori din partile locului. Boyle a vrut sa faca un film despre Mumbai si in spiritul de acolo, din punctul asta de vedere e ireprosabil. Not to mention ca l-a avut pe Anthony Dod Mantle in spatele camerei
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Old 18 Jul 2009, 15:18   #64
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Incepe cu o scena de actiune montata alert, urmata de partea de delicventa juvenila. Senzatia de déj�* vu a fost involuntara si violenta. Mesajul si modul in care a fost transmis este aproape identic. Nu inteleg de ce e atit de bineinteles ca am trintit comparatia respectiva, doar daca nu aveai si tu aceiasi senzatie. E adevarat ca filmul nu prea a avut concurenta. Trainspotting e de zece ori mai bun. Nu-ti amintesti ca Danny sa fi declarat? Care regizor a declarat vreodata ca vrea sa faca un film care sa semene cu alt film? Babybrain killer?

Aveti aici niste copy-paste-uri. Majoritatea le gasesc pertinente. Asta mi-a placut: I am appalled by the way the audience is led around by the nose. Ce tare, vorbeste si despre voi...ha ha ha.

The movie's arbitrary structure has a fable-like quality, similar to the "Arabian Nights" tales. But Danny Boyle's direction is straight-up realism: quick cutting and handheld cameras that are constantly moving. That Boyle ("Trainspotting") should feel an impulse to push this film along is only natural. A movie made up mostly of flashbacks needs all the propulsion it can get. But in this case, the style sets up an expectation that the movie can only frustrate. In retrospect, "Slumdog Millionaire" might have been better served by a style that didn't run counter to its dreaminess and languor but rather made those elements into virtues.

This movie has plenty of facile emotional manipulation. There's a lot of poverty in the world, in case you didn't know it. Mean authority figures, too. Beware foreign films such as this one which is the latest darling among film critics!

Not one of its hero's successes are hard fought or earned; they come from insanely implausible coincedence.

You've got to be kidding me. Do absurdly "earned" riches and a Bollywood starlet (there was no obvious chemistry between the actors so no "love" in sight) really make up for that horror of an early life? If they do then you can call the movie "uplifting". I don't think so and I am appalled by the way the audience is led around by the nose. We must really need a happy ending in a big way to jump for joy over this movie
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I must be from another planet, or I watched a different movie than the one everyone's raving about, or I got much more humanity & entertainment out of a true masterpiece like Salaam Bombay. Slumdog is contrived and shallow when it could be at its best

Eye-rollingly formulaic. This one wins the "Pan's Labyrinth" critically overrated film of the year award. Today's filmmakers have no clue how to tell a compelling story. Just another style over substance fluff-job.

Being an Indian, I have never seen any person humiliating any other person in a PUBLIC SHOW. If something like this happens, the public will never tolerate these kind of humiliation on a show that is broadcast nationally. So this movie is a hype depicting all the bad side of the Indian culture and people. So I did not enjoy watching this movie.

Extremely overrated. Poor acting.An annoying cacophony atop a predictable structure.I want those 2 hours of my life back.

Many aspects of this movie are great but Boyle's tendency to keep a tucky romantic love story in the center of the movie with awfully ridiculous dialogues simply ruins the movie
The portrayal of India and its people is mostly, if not entirely, negative. Westerners are portrayed as shallow and rich. The main characters spend most of their life stealing from people. Granted, they’re orphans, but the movie glances over the fact that they’re con-men and thieves. Then suddenly, the main character decides to get a job.

Why is everyone so eager to jump on this bandwagon? If not for the unbelievable shower of awards, this movie would have slipped into deserved obscurity. Manipulative...flashy...provides a caffeine-buzz but no real nourishment....exciting to viewers who may just be easily pleased....I was annoyed and angered by the way the filmmakers expected viewers to respond to this horror-fairy tale....the more sensitive viewer would not be dancing in the aisles, and those who expect more from their art and entertainment would most likely not be inspired.

Very mediocre. I agree with other sentiments about moviegoers jumping on the 'awards bandwagon.' There is nothing really original about this film other than the fact that it comes from India. I could not help but think that this movie was simply a combination of a couple of movies I have seen before and it was much less powerful. The film tries to juggle too many half baked messages and plot twists to be of real substance; and propped up by acting that is OK at best this film is not worth the praise it is getting.

I cannot understand all this weird appraisal noise about this underrate piece of movie. It’s grubby, wasteful, flashy, and a showoff of putative directing skills. An Occidental biased exploration of India’s poverty. A love story managed to fulfillment by a scatological way of making movies. It’s not new to Mr. Boyle. Remember the infect latrine in Trainspotting, only softened by Brian Eno’s Deep Blue Sea. Nevertheless, the most awkward figure: 60 awards, plus 10 Oscar nominations. Is there a discernible trend which movies will follow in a near future?

I just happened to see the movie before the Academy Awards results are declared. I can offer two observations on the movie notwithstanding the "ga-ga" attitude of the western media. 1. The movie is nothing, but a standard documentary that describes only the darker, poorer aspect of India. Everybody in India and in the Third World ,seems to be a fraud from the police constable, a brother, and upto the top entreupreneur - the man who is hosting the TV show(Played by Anil Kapoor). Probably that is what the West would like to see in India;and that is what Danny Boyle has seen. Which is why, the movie is such a runaway hit in the West. 2. The Movie is an abashed depiction of the Racist attitude of the white man and the West. Even after getting striped off all the parts of a Mercedes, the White tourist still shows benevolence by offering a $100 bill to the prime suspect and mutters - "look what we can do" or something to that effect. That it is extremely undigestible; I could well feel it, as I have traveled extensively in the Western world.

Why this predictable, schmaltzy movie won Best Picture and is being so widely praised is beyond me. THE DARK KNIGHT, RACHEL GETTING MARRIED, VICKY CHRISTINA BARCELONA, THE WRESTLER and WALL-E were all far better movies.

Without doubt one of my all time worst experiances in the cinema - and a prime example of how seemingly intelligent critics would rather not upset the apple cart and state the facts - this film is awfull! The script is badly written, characters are totally without any depth or substance, serious themes of poverty are used as puerile plot points then thrown away as and when it doesn't serve a totally twee unbelievable romance. The acting is uniformly amatureish - none of the protaganists create any humanity beyond the writers belief you should care for them due to their sufferings - and the fact they are contrasted with one dimensional evil characters all around them. Maybe if the director wanted to make some serious points about 3rd world poverty he could of done it with more rounded characters? Some of the representations of India (police torture because you get a few questions right on a game show) are ludicrous verging on racist. Which maybe ok in a fairy tale, but then don't make a fairy tale and use serious issues as plot devices. Far from being proud of this piece of dirge (as the UK press are suggesting) British Cinema should bow it's head in shame.

A huge letdown considering all the hype! Apart from being visually impressive and having a few mildly entertaining moments, this movie is confusing at best and pointless, naive and overblown at worst. I mean, the 2 main characters that are supposed to be deeply in love never even exchange a proper sentence, and the character of Jamal Malik is as blank as a sheet of paper. Not to mention that the point of the story completely escapes me...unless the point is depicting all the worst horrors of Indian poverty just to elicit the shock and pity of the white, Western viewer comfortably seated in a cinema chair with lots popcorn in his hand. I am forced to conclude that this is one of the main reasons why this movie got so many awards- to appease social consciousness. It seems that by patching graphic scenes of poverty and violence onto a pointless, confusing plot and a set of faceless characters, we come to what is, today, considered a highly acclaimed movie.

Horndog Bazillionaire!

Mediocre movie. Way Overrated. I just don't get how it got such high reviews. The only things good about this movie were the child actors and the cinematography. The obviously bad brother who for some random reason decided to help the good brother at the end didn't make sense
Underneath all of its flashiness it was a cheap love story wrapped around some occasional violence.

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Originally Posted by dansatorul_polimorf:
Asta mi-a placut: I am appalled by the way the audience is led around by the nose. Ce tare, vorbeste si despre voi...ha ha ha.
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Daca tu esti "voi" care se constituie intr-o categorie aparte, atunci acolo, cu o propozitie inainte de "ei".
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Dacä n-ai nici un räspuns, zi - n-o îmbârliga.
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Am uitat ca recenziile obtuze cu copy paste erau trademarkul tau.
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Old 19 Jul 2009, 04:49   #69
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"Voi" sunt telenovelistii care au tresaltat in ritm cu eroul pe aceasta partitura ieftina (Si cind sa se iubeasca ei, ce sa vezi, frati-su... Dar frati-su' ala rau, nu mai era rau, ca s-a razgandit si era iar ca fratii) I am appalled by the way the audience is led around by the nose. Nu pot decit sa subscriu.

Miercur , arunci o afirmatie rautacioasa si chinuita, nu o argumentezi, si pleci. Fiecare cu trademarkul lui. In nici in caz nu o sa scriu compuneri originale pentru de-alde tine cu lucruri spuse deja de altii. Si vezi ca te cam lasa memoria, incearca cu lecitina.
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Nu sunt un mare fan al filmului, dar cu siguranta nu e lipsit de valoare. Comentariul postat de tine mi se pare mai mult o lista de frustrari, de multe ori nejustificate, uneori justificate, ale unei persoane anti-Slumdog. Filmul intr-adevar nu e exceptional si e overrated, iar eu, de asemenea, nu pot trece peste asemanarea cu Cidade de Deus, dar bineinteles mi s-a parut un fel de fratele mai mic si prost. Oricum e departe de a fi un film mediocru, dar trebuie sa existe si oameni care sa il urasca, justificat la inceput, dar orbeste mai tarziu.
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Eu nu vad sensul copy-paste-urilor. Dar, ma rog, daca unii doar atat pot...
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Old 19 Jul 2009, 13:18   #72
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Liviu, in timp ce frustratii de mai sus, fac referiri exacte la regie, mesajul transmis, credibilitatea personajelor si jocul actorilor, tu ne comunici ce ti se... pare. Ce ne jucam aici, leapsa? Pai trei, in p*la mea...

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Iar menirea voasträ în viatä (si nu numai) e megalomania umflatä cu pompa. Cere-i iertare Corinkäi pentru mârlänie - sau de nu, zât pe alte forumuri, unde sunt tolerati mitocanii.
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Originally Posted by dansatorul_polimorf:
Liviu, in timp ce frustratii de mai sus, fac referiri exacte la regie, mesajul transmis, credibilitatea personajelor si jocul actorilor, tu ne comunici ce ti se... pare. Ce ne jucam aici, leapsa? Pai trei, in p*la mea...

Frustratii de mai sus au zis tot ceea ce li se pare. Doar pentru ca le-au spus mai elaborat nu inseamna ca sunt corecte, cel putin nu toate. Sau mai bine iau de bun tot ceea ce au zis si ii las pe ei sa gandeasca in locul meu? Pai daca tot dam copy/paste de ce nu am putea juca leapsa? As elabora putin si parerea mea, dar din pacate timpul nu-mi permite momentan.
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câtă energie consumată pentru un film destinat pieţei secundare, cea a dvd-urilor
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Old 19 Jul 2009, 14:50   #76
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Cind intri pe un topic despre un film si afirmi ca nu intelegi ce-i cu c/paste-urile in care se vorbeste despre acel film rezulta ca esti rau voitor si incerci sa provoci. Deci cine este mârlänul aici? E evident ca ea a venit cu intentii rau voitoare premeditate. Nu cred ca eu trebuie sa-mi cer scuze. Nu sunt idiot sa nu-mi dau seama de ceea ce incerca sa faca.
Liviu, frustratii de mai sus nu au spus: mie mi se pare ca, ci au spus, eu cred asta, pentru ca, adica spre diferenta de tine au argumentat. Flash-back-urile nu sunt doar o parere. Sau poate tie ti se pare ca ele nu exista? Daca vrei sa lauzi filmul, care are intr-adevar si parti bune, spune de ce si exemplifica. Sau poate ar trebui eu sa-mi imaginez care ti se par tie ca ar fi pareri corecte si care nu?
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Se pare cä n-am fost destul de clar.
N-am spus sä te scuzi, am spus clar: CERE-I IERTARE CORINEI!
Pe nimeni nu intereseazä aiurelile despre ce faci când intri pe un topic, si afirmi, si dregi... si procesele de intentie supte din deget, cu supozitii firave despre ce încerca sau nu încerca X ori Y sä facä. Sunt insuficiente pentru a justifica o asemenea mägärie:
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menirea ta in viata e sa faci omleta. Hai, ush la treaba.
Cum îti permiti, bäi nesimtitule, sä vorbesti asa cu una dintre cele mai civilizate, cultivate si modeste userite de pe forum, o lady care niciodatä n-a umblat nici cu veleitarisme, nici cu bädäränii...? Unde te trezesti aici, pe forumu' separatist transnistrean, printre Peni(s)Bill si Puline la fel ka el? Pe cinemocofan? Pe maidan? "Ush" sä zici la tine-acasä, gäinilor din poiatä, nu userilor de pe CineMagia!
Cere-i iertare! ACUM!!!

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Old 19 Jul 2009, 16:45   #78
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Nu stiu cine esti si ce zbieri asa, admin nu esti ca aia vorbesc civilizat si nu sunt partinitori. Treaba sta in felul urmator: daca vine cineva si iti spune: Eu nu vad sensul copy-paste-urilor. Dar, ma rog, daca unii doar atat pot... e normal sa resimti aluzia. O fi tanti o lady cu tine, da cu mine ba, asa ca sa-i pupi tu minusitele. Poate ca am sarit peste cal, dar meschinaria imi repugna profund. Vad ca aici sunteti un fel de clica bine unita care-si sprijina reciproc gaurile din bordaj. Treaba voastra. Mugetele tale ma lasa rece. Daca va trebui sa aleg exilul, so be it. Oricum plec pentru o vreme pentru ca sincer, nu am cu cine discuta. Ma rog, daca doar atat puteti...

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Originally Posted by dansatorul_polimorf:
Ma rog, daca doar atat puteti...

Ce dragut sa vad asta venind din partea cuiva care scrie 2 randuri si da paste la alte 200,doar ca tine el mortis sa ne demonstreze ca mai sunt si altii care il sustin.Asta arata ca esti slab,ca nu stii sa iti sustii singur opiniile si tot cauti back-up prin scrierile altora.Everyone is entitled to an opinion. O-P-I-N-I-O-N...ooopinion! Get it? Nimeni nu a sustinut ca detine adevarul absolut ca sa fii asa pornit. Nu ai niciun drept sa ataci pe cineva doar pentru ca are gusturi diferite,mai ales daca au fost argumentate cum trebuie.
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