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Old 05 Jul 2010, 12:59   #21
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Mi se pare un pic cam nepotrivita atitudinea asta de: "Mi-au placut primele 2 filme, dar dupa s-a comercializat si nu imi mai place...".
Batman poate face oricine, Following ori Memento nu prea. Asta e realitatea, Nolan nu e singurul caz. La fel a facut Spielberg dupa Duel, altii si altii... E extrem de greu sa ramii original in sistem, mai ales atunci cind esti apreciat. Nolan se descurca bine in comparatie cu alti vinzatori de popcorn, regresul se observa insa atunci cind il compari cu sine insusi.

Corect Batman poate face oricine dar nu The Dark Knight. The Prestige sa inteleg ca nu te-a impresionat.

Tie nu ti se pare normal ca Nolan (sub contract cu Warner Bros) sa si scoata cele 160 de milioane de dolari bagate in film? Lumea ce cunoaste mai mult? Memento sau The Dark Knight? ... E usor sa fi ignorant si sa ignori marketingul si modul in care se practica lucrurile in orice domeniu. Doar pentru ca bagi bani intr-un film si ai si incasari mari nu inseamna ca esti "la fel ca toti". Mi se pare ca dramatizezi putin. Doar nu vrei lumea sa se duca la cinema sa vada "From Director of Memento" ... DA LOL! Garantez ca 80% din cei care se duc la cinema si vad Memento trec peste dar cand vad "The Dark Knight" sunt atrasi pentru ca filmul a avut un oarecare impact. Eu zic sa nu criticati regizorii numai de dragul de a fi la moda. Stiu, e cool sa pari inteligent si sa-ti placa filme de Tarkovsky, Hitchcock, Soderbergh sau Almodovar dar hai sa nu fim ipocriti.

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prietene am adus o stire. daca vrei sa citesti bine daca nu nu comenta aiurea ca sa fim importanti. romanisme... poate unii vor sa afle detalii despre film si citesc chiar daca nu dau reply.
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Ce plm de impact a avut The Dark Knight? Faptul ca a ajuns in top 10 Imdb doar pentru ca a beneficiat de locomotiva numita Heath Ledger's corpse? Pentru mine e un Batman ca oricare altul, nici macar cel mai bun. Pe de alta parte, citi au mai facut un film precum Memento?
Nu spun toate chestiile astea ca pe o acuza la adresa regizorilor, intr-un fel e normal sa dai din coate si sa ajungi cit mai sus. Am spus doar ca un Nolan neintinat & virgin face de nshpe mii de ori mai mult decit un Nolan "dresat" si "adus la ordine". Cistigi faima dar iti pierzi sufletul asta e tot. Unii nu au acceptat asta niciodata - Lynch, spre exemplu, a fost futut la Dune, s-a invatat minte si a intors spatele sistemului, ridiculizindu-l.
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Originally Posted by Windom:
Lynch, spre exemplu, a fost futut la Dune, s-a invatat minte si a intors spatele sistemului, ridiculizindu-l.

Dap. Si-a facut " Straight Story", care pe mine m-a rupt, dar care super light and shinny pt stilul lui si a fost si mainstream la vremea lui.
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Nu confunda "mainstream" cu "comercial".
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Din cate review-uri am vazut pana acum se pare ca Joseph Gordon-Levitt este cel ce "a furat show-ul"
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cred ca de la atatea laude cate citesti o sa te duci la film si n-o sa-ti placa
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^ asa patesc eu, de-aia de ceva timp evit orice fel de (p)review. Sa vedem, eu il cred in stare.
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Originally Posted by rifa:
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Mi se pare un pic cam nepotrivita atitudinea asta de: "Mi-au placut primele 2 filme, dar dupa s-a comercializat si nu imi mai place...".
Batman poate face oricine, Following ori Memento nu prea. Asta e realitatea, Nolan nu e singurul caz. La fel a facut Spielberg dupa Duel, altii si altii... E extrem de greu sa ramii original in sistem, mai ales atunci cind esti apreciat. Nolan se descurca bine in comparatie cu alti vinzatori de popcorn, regresul se observa insa atunci cind il compari cu sine insusi.

Corect Batman poate face oricine dar nu The Dark Knight. The Prestige sa inteleg ca nu te-a impresionat.

Tie nu ti se pare normal ca Nolan (sub contract cu Warner Bros) sa si scoata cele 160 de milioane de dolari bagate in film? Lumea ce cunoaste mai mult? Memento sau The Dark Knight? ... E usor sa fi ignorant si sa ignori marketingul si modul in care se practica lucrurile in orice domeniu. Doar pentru ca bagi bani intr-un film si ai si incasari mari nu inseamna ca esti "la fel ca toti". Mi se pare ca dramatizezi putin. Doar nu vrei lumea sa se duca la cinema sa vada "From Director of Memento" ... DA LOL! Garantez ca 80% din cei care se duc la cinema si vad Memento trec peste dar cand vad "The Dark Knight" sunt atrasi pentru ca filmul a avut un oarecare impact. Eu zic sa nu criticati regizorii numai de dragul de a fi la moda. Stiu, e cool sa pari inteligent si sa-ti placa filme de Tarkovsky, Hitchcock, Soderbergh sau Almodovar dar hai sa nu fim ipocriti.

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prietene am adus o stire. daca vrei sa citesti bine daca nu nu comenta aiurea ca sa fim importanti. romanisme... poate unii vor sa afle detalii despre film si citesc chiar daca nu dau reply.

You hit the spot. Bis.
Parca mi-ai citi gandurile. Acelasi lucru vroiam si eu sa il zic.

Leo despre film:
http://screenrant.com/inception-plot...io-ross-44414/
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Rifa, nu-l lua prea mult in serios pe Wisdom ca s-ar putea sa te enerveze foarte tare.
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Old 06 Jul 2010, 18:05   #30
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Vad ca nici nu s-a lansat filmul si avatarzii deja string rindurile. S-ar putea totusi sa fiti nitel dezamagiti. Cica la filmul asta trebuie pusi si citiva neuroni in miscare. Asa ca bagati macar un The Simpsons pina la lansare, ca asa, pe mintea goala, poate va alegeti cu vreun anevrism ori o entorsa cerebrala...
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Vad ca nici nu s-a lansat filmul si avatarzii deja string rindurile. S-ar putea totusi sa fiti nitel dezamagiti. Cica la filmul asta trebuie pusi si citiva neuroni in miscare. Asa ca bagati macar un The Simpsons pina la lansare, ca asa, pe mintea goala, poate va alegeti cu vreun anevrism ori o entorsa cerebrala...

...se auzi o voce din beci.
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Wisdom e ardelean ? O fi ruda cu Boc sau ceva, pentru ca si ala a cazut in cap acum ceva timp.

Intorcandu-ne la subiect, Nolan pare sa fi gasit echilibrul dintre un blockbuster, poveste si efecte speciale. Nu cred ca este un film care va ii va multumi pe criticii nostri sau cel putin nu atat de mult ca Clash of the Titans. Astept cu nerabdare review-ul lui Pit, sper insa ca de data asta sa nu se tiganeasca cu "fanii".
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Old 07 Jul 2010, 07:05   #35
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ca sa mai citesc pareri penale ca in cazul lui Avatar, cred ca inchid acest topic pana pe 30 iulie, cand lumea chiar va sti ce sa spuna despre Inception

ca sa nu fac asta, mai incet cu atacurile si cu "a, siiiiiiiiiiiigur o sa fie bun!"
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Old 12 Jul 2010, 09:39   #36
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corect Stefan.

pentru cei care sunt interesati interviuri direct de pe covorul rosu de la premiera Inception din Marea Britanie.

Leonardo DiCaprio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uRsmw1wLOM&feature=player_embedded

Ellen Page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8YRpXQoOwk&feature=channel

Marion Cotillard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efRyB5WTSjk&feature=channel

Joseph Gordon Levitt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODBKm8RuvGI&feature=channel

Michael Caine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YEdZfr3XmM&feature=channel

Cillian Murphy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkKQ-2aGR28&feature=player_embedded

Ken Watanabe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP-cvU7va9s&feature=player_embedded


Variety (90/100)


If movies are shared dreams, then Christopher Nolan is surely one of Hollywood's most inventive dreamers, given the evidence of his commandingly clever "Inception." Applying a vivid sense of procedural detail to a fiendishly intricate yarn set in the labyrinth of the subconscious, the writer-director has devised a heist thriller for surrealists, a Jungian's "Rififi," that challenges viewers to sift through multiple layers of (un)reality. As such, it's a conceptual tour de force unlikely to rank with Batman at the B.O., though post-"Dark Knight" anticipation and Leonardo DiCaprio should still position it as one of the summer's hottest, classiest tickets.

Hollywood Reporter

Bottom Line: A devilishly complicated, fiendishly enjoyable sci-fi voyage across a dreamscape that is thoroughly compelling. In a summer of remakes, reboots and sequels comes "Inception," easily the most original movie idea in ages.

The Wrap

It is not a typical summer movie, but it’s bold and imaginative in the vein of the best summer movies; it’s way too big and spectacular to be an art film, but it can leave you scratching your head in a good way.

<b>IGN (5/5)</b>

At times evoking the works of Jean Cocteau, Stanley Kubrick, and Michael Mann, Nolan has crafted an elaborate cinematic labyrinth where, like the dreams the protagonists are invading, there are different levels, each with its own distinct palette and style. As confusing as the film can be at times (there's one point where there are at least four different storylines going on simultaneously), one never senses that Nolan himself is lost, and that's the difference between a brilliant, multi-layered narrative and a movie that's just a mindjob for the sake of being clever.

<b>Film School Rejects (A+):</b>

I will say this now, without reservation and fully confident that many will agree; Inception is easily the best big budget film of the year thus far. I’ll go further and say that it’s one of the most beautiful, well written, and fully realized high dollar films of the last five years. Inception, is close to perfection.

<b>CHUD (10/10):</b>

Inception is a masterpiece. Making a huge film with big ambitions, Christopher Nolan never missteps and manages to create a movie that, at times, feels like a miracle. And sometimes it doesn’t even feel like a movie; while presented in woefully retro 2D, Inception creates a complete sense of immersion in another world. The screen before you is just another layer of the dream.

<b>Awards Daily:</b>

Imagine a film being made in 2010 where you have absolutely no idea where it is going or how it will end. These were the worlds created by revolutionary filmmakers, like Stanley Kubrick, Woody Allen, David Cronenberg and David Lynch. With Inception we have a film and a filmmaker that has broken new ground and very nearly reinvented the form and he did it all without 3-D. Nolan gets there on the power of the story – and his vision was realized with the aid of the usual suspects – Wally Pfister’s cinematography, Hans Zimmer’s unbelievable score – the art direction, the visual effects – see it on IMAX and it will blow your mind. I am sure more than a few will discover that seeing the movie IN an altered state will also blow your mind, not that I’m advocating that.

<b>Cinematical:</b>

Further, its sublime combination of theoretical and humanistic elements puts it in the company of films like, yes, The Matrix, but more accurately dense, character-driven concept movies like Synecdoche, New York, itself arguably one of the best and most important (if also impenetrable) of the last decade. But it’s also the kind of movie that transcends any easy comparisons, and resists previous standards of achievement, innovation, or impact, which is why it’s difficult to pinpoint the last time I felt quite so passionately about every single part of a cinematic experience. And that may ultimately be the film’s greatest achievement: to consume and possess its audience with that passion, whether you’re as inspired and excited as I am, or disappointed, confused or frustrated as many will no doubt also be.

<b>JoBlo (10/10):</b>

At 148 minutes, INCEPTION is hardly a quick film but it moves with such speed and efficiency that you never “feel” the length. Even when it’s over, the movie stays with you, begging for conversation, discussion, debate and, eventually, another viewing. I’m sure it’ll even pop up in your dreams. Nothing wrong with that. We should all be dreaming a little bit bigger.

<b>Empire (5/5):</b>

Like The Matrix mated with Synecdoche, New York — or a Charlie Kaufman 007. To paraphrase Casino Royale’s Vesper Lynd, it’s a meaningful pursuit in a summer of disposable entertainments. With physics-defying, thunderous action, heart-wringing emotion and an astonishing performance from DiCaprio, Nolan delivers another true original: welcome to an undiscovered country.

<b>Indie Wire (5/5):</b>

As intricate as the script is—Nolan worked on it for a decade—the movie is not just a feat of cinematic wizardry, even though it comes close to the level of technological derring-do carried off by the likes of Stanley Kubrick. (Indeed Nolan works in repeated homages to the late great auteur beyond the obvious use of moving sets on gimbles to allow athletic Gordon-Levitt to bounce weightless and walk on walls and ceilings.) The movie also has heart. So that even if you do get confused (as I did in the James Bond snow section, filmed in the Canadian Rockies), the emotional through-line pulls you along. It’s as simple as The Wizard of Oz: The Extractor wants to go home.

<b>Box Office Magazine (5/5):</b>

In terms of sheer originality, ambition and achievement, Inception is the movie of the summer, the movie of the year and the movie of our dreams. Director Christopher Nolan’s heist film about a group of dream extractors who can invade a person’s subconscious to steal-or plant-vital information may remind you of James Bond, The Matrix, or even Nolan’s own Memento, when in fact it’s unlike any other. A bold, inventive, audacious entertainment, Inception charts a new course for motion pictures and sets the bar very, very high. Matrix-style business should be in order, even though audiences will have to pay strict attention to get the full experience (perish the thought). Simplistic moviegoers who like their blockbusters cooked in predictability may not get it but Nolan fans and those who like their action married to new ideas will flock to multiplexes for repeated viewings.

<b>Variety:</b>

If movies are shared dreams, then Christopher Nolan is surely one of Hollywood’s most inventive dreamers, given the evidence of his commandingly clever “Inception.” Applying a vivid sense of procedural detail to a fiendishly intricate yarn set in the labyrinth of the subconscious, the writer-director has devised a heist thriller for surrealists, a Jungian’s “Rififi,” that challenges viewers to sift through multiple layers of (un)reality. As such, it’s a conceptual tour de force unlikely to rank with Batman at the B.O., though post-”Dark Knight” anticipation and Leonardo DiCaprio should still position it as one of the summer’s hottest, classiest tickets.

<b>In Contention (3.5/4):</b>

Moreover, this could be the film to solidify the director’s place among the modern masters. “The Dark Knight” made its mark on pop culture, yes, but “Inception” doesn’t carry the (however unfair) stigma of being based on pulp fiction. It could leave a footprint far more important on the industry: the fulfilled promise, perhaps thanks to a thinly rewarding summer movie season, that expensive, thoughtful, original filmmaking can pay dividends.

<b>The Hollywood Reporter:</b>

Following up on such ingenious and intriguing films as “The Dark Knight” and “Memento,” Nolan has outdone himself. “Inception” puts him not only at the top of the heap of sci-fi all-stars, but it also should put this Warner Bros. release near or at the top of the summer movies. It’s very hard to see how a film that plays so winningly to so many demographics would not be a worldwide hit.

enjoy.

<a href="http://%22http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_ZZKWxF2TU&feature=player_embedded%22" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_ZZK...layer_embedded


Soundtrack-ul de Hans Zimmer ... :

<a href="http://%22http://www.musicme.com/Hans-Zimmer/albums/Inception-%28Music-From-The-Motion-Picture%29-0093624965008.html%22" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.musicme.com/Hans-Zimmer/a...624965008.html

Cata emotie poate sa fie in soundtrack-ul asta... sunt curios cum o sa fie "asezat" pe pelicula... imi aduce aminte de Blade Runner si The Matrix.... Foarte futuristic dar plin de emotie... daca va fi si bine pus in film cu siguranta alta nominalizare la Oscar pentru Zimmer... De la piesa 5 incepe smecheria primele 4 fiind un fel de intro care suna criminal...

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Da, astept cu nerabdare filmul si din ce am vazut/auzit pana acum, pare sa fie filmul care salveaza vara asta mediocra, dar ar fi bine sa apesi mai des butonul ala de edit, ca deja am ajuns la pagina a 2-a a topicului fara ca cineva sa fi vazut filmul. Am mari asteptari de la el si cu atatea laude primite ma tem sa nu ma duc la film asteptand o capodopera si iesind cu impresia ca am vazut doar un film bun. Cel mai greu imi va fi sa evit spoilerele, dar sper sa reusesc, nici clipuri nu am vazut prea multe tocmai fiindca vreau sa il vad stiind cat mai putine lucruri. L-om vedea si l-om comenta ! Pare sa prinda bine la critici, ma intreb daca si publicul devorator de brainless exercises il va primi la fel.
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O capodopera nu o constientizezi pe loc, nu e instant cofee, toti il asteptam, daca e sau nu capodopera va decide IMDB-ul peste cativa ani, o mana de critici nu conteaza, la un film capodopera trebuie, in lumea de azi, sa se adere social , prin voturi gen IMDB.
Oricum e binevenit, iar Nolan e o garantie, filme cu Batman fac numai artistii adevarati.
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Originally Posted by catalinpetrescu:
O capodopera nu o constientizezi pe loc, nu e instant cofee,
Interesant spus, si partial s-ar putea sä ai dreptate.
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daca e sau nu capodopera va decide IMDB-ul peste cativa ani, o mana de critici nu conteaza, la un film capodopera trebuie, in lumea de azi, sa se adere social , prin voturi gen IMDB.
Nu, gresit, IMDb-ul nu e o instantä cu discernämânt real, ci doar un fenomen gregar, prea putin creditabil. Chestia cu "sa se adere social, prin voturi gen IMDb" e de tot râsu'! Festivalul National "Cântarea Globalizärii"!
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filme cu Batman fac numai artistii adevarati.
Da, sigur. Schumacher, drept pildä. (Joel, nu Ovidiu!)

Oricum, you made my day - AI INAUGURAT prezenta în "De la lume adunate" a perlelor si de pe forum, nu numai din comentariile de pe site!
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Muaaahahh Pitbull ce placere sa m-a discreditezi, totusi voi combate.
Evident ca nu suporti ideea de IMDB-ul, unde ideea de "critic de film"se dilueaza, existand opinii f bine argumentate si profesionale deseori de la persoane fara un background verificabil, daca nu ai IMDB Pro (ha!),
Zici ca IMDB e o treaba proletcultista
Zau, atunci de ce nu scrii matale pe hartie si incerci sa publici criticile, sa numai butonezi aici pe forumu asta , bineinteles o expresie globalista a comunicarii, repede si convenabil.
Da, sigur. Schumacher, drept pildä. (Joel, nu Ovidiu!)
Falling Down il califica, am facut afirmatia documentat!
Mai departe domnu` Pitbull recunosc ca sint un produs al culturii pop, nu am instructie in film sau alte arte, sint doar un alt forumist, mai vechi ca matale ce e drept si fara privilegii, dar ce iti pot spune f sigur pe mine este ca filmele de Cinema, sint facute pentru vizionare publica cu grad mare de rapandire, drept urmare prin inductie matematica, numai un feedback public si de mare raspandire (IMDB) le poate confirma calitatea si le poate ierarhiza in mod credibil.
Daca este un esec sau o capodopera un film va decide TOT TIMPUL publicul, iar matale care esti "critic de film" trebuie sa ai doar inspiratie, sa sti sa "dai" critica negativa sau pozitiva, daca o nimeresti si filmul place, poti sa spui am zis-o primul, si viceversa e ca la loto.
Apropos, IMDB citeaza la critics din romania decat pe CTP, dar asta e desiguuur din cauza baniilor mogulului Sarbu care si-a bagat reteua provideo la distribuite in lista de referinte a IMDB, si bineinteles a Globalizarii.
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