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Old 18 Jun 2008, 14:18   #1
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AFI's 10 Top 10

Institutul American de Film(AFI) a prezentat aceasta lista:

Genres

Animation

Presented by Jennifer Love Hewitt

1. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 1937
2. Pinocchio 1940
3. Bambi 1942
4. The Lion King 1994
5. Fantasia 1940
6. Toy Story 1995
7. Beauty and the Beast 1991
8. Shrek 2001
9. Cinderella 1950
10. Finding Nemo 2003

Fantasy

Presented by Sean Astin

1. The Wizard of Oz 1939
2. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 2001
3. It's a Wonderful Life 1946
4. King Kong 1933
5. Miracle on 34th Street 1947
6. Field of Dreams 1989
7. Harvey 1950
8. Groundhog Day 1993
9. The Thief of Bagdad 1924
10. Big 1988

Science Fiction

Presented by Sigourney Weaver

1. 2001: A Space Odyssey 1968
2. Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope 1977
3. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial 1982
4. A Clockwork Orange 1971
5. The Day the Earth Stood Still 1951
6. Blade Runner 1982
7. Alien 1979
8. Terminator 2: Judgment Day 1991
9. Invasion of the Body Snatchers 1956
10. Back to the Future 1985

Sports

Presented by Cuba Gooding, Jr.

1. Raging Bull 1980
2. Rocky 1976
3. The Pride of the Yankees 1942
4. Hoosiers 1986
5. Bull Durham 1988
6. The Hustler 1961
7. Caddyshack 1980
8. Breaking Away 1979
9. National Velvet 1944
10. Jerry Maguire 1996

Western

Presented by Clint Eastwood

1. The Searchers 1956
2. High Noon 1952
3. Shane 1953
4. Unforgiven 1992
5. Red River 1948
6. The Wild Bunch 1969
7. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid 1969
8. McCabe and Mrs. Miller 1971
9. Stagecoach 1939
10. Cat Ballou 1965

Gangster

Presented by Quentin Tarantino

1. The Godfather 1972
2. Goodfellas 1990
3. The Godfather Part II 1974
4. White Heat 1949
5. Bonnie and Clyde 1967
6. Scarface: The Shame of the Nation 1932
7. Pulp Fiction 1994
8. The Public Enemy 1931
9. Little Caesar 1931
10. Scarface 1983

Mystery

Presented by Gabriel Byrne

1. Vertigo 1958
2. Chinatown 1974
3. Rear Window 1954
4. Laura 1944
5. The Third Man 1949
6. The Maltese Falcon 1941
7. North by Northwest 1959
8. Blue Velvet 1986
9. Dial M for Murder 1954
10. The Usual Suspects 1995

Romantic Comedies

Presented by Jessica Alba

1. City Lights 1931
2. Annie Hall 1977
3. It Happened One Night 1934
4. Roman Holiday 1953
5. The Philadelphia Story 1940
6. When Harry Met Sally... 1989
7. Adam's Rib 1949
8. Moonstruck 1987
9. Harold and Maude 1971
10. Sleepless in Seattle 1993

Courtroom Drama

Presented by James Woods

1. To Kill a Mockingbird 1962
2. 12 Angry Men 1957
3. Kramer vs. Kramer 1979
4. The Verdict 1982
5. A Few Good Men 1992
6. Witness for the Prosecution 1957
7. Anatomy of a Murder 1959
8. In Cold Blood 1967
9. A Cry in the Dark 1988
10. Judgment at Nuremberg 1961

Epic

Presented by Kirk Douglas

1. Lawrence of Arabia 1962
2. Ben-Hur 1959
3. Schindler's List 1993
4. Gone with the Wind 1939
5. Spartacus 1960
6. Titanic 1997
7. All Quiet on the Western Front 1930
8. Saving Private Ryan 1998
9. Reds 1981
10. The Ten Commandments 1956
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Old 18 Jun 2008, 16:05   #2
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Re: AFI's 10 Top 10

Mda... In genere, e corect - desi nu lipsesc niste gafe cât toate zilele...

Originally Posted by Institutul American de Film(AFI):

Animation

4. The Lion King 1994
5. Fantasia 1940
Deci, "Lion King" peste "Fantasia"! :huh:
Originally Posted by Institutul American de Film(AFI):

Fantasy

4. King Kong 1933
"King Kong" e SF SOFT, nu fantasy.
Originally Posted by Institutul American de Film(AFI):

Science Fiction

2. Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope 1977
Laba asta tristä, al II-lea SF a tuturor timpurilor? :w00t:
Originally Posted by Institutul American de Film(AFI):

Western

9. Stagecoach 1939
"Stagecoach" pe locul 9...? :?
Originally Posted by Institutul American de Film(AFI):

Romantic Comedies

1. City Lights 1931
Hmm... E "City Lights" comedie romanticä, precum sunt eu primar la Cocârlati - da' dacä stai sä te gândesti, nici n-ai unde sä-l pui. Nu film de gen, e capodoperä.
Originally Posted by Institutul American de Film(AFI):

Epic

4. Gone with the Wind 1939
5. Spartacus 1960
7. All Quiet on the Western Front 1930
"Gone With the Wind" peste Kubrick (al cärui film nu era o dudä), si mai ales peste Milestone (al cäruia e o capodoperä -si a genului, si în general!)
Deci: :sick: + :lol:
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Old 18 Jun 2008, 16:33   #3
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mda , mi se pare cam incurcat acest top ! Cum naiba mah Fellowship of the ring e pe doi , dar celelalte filme ale trilogiei nu sunt nici macar in top ?

Apoi la animatii .... am ramas socat , numai Shrek si Finding Nemo mai din timpurile noastre ... in rest de pe vremea lu' Bau Bau !
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Old 18 Jun 2008, 18:02   #4
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Dacä prin "de pe vremea lu' Bau Bau" te referi la:
1. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 1937
2. Pinocchio 1940
3. Bambi 1942
5. Fantasia 1940
9. Cinderella 1950
ai dreptate: asta dovedeste cä "pe vremea lu' Bau Bau" filmul de animatie nu era o biatä meserie fäcutä cu computerul (bine, ce-i drept), ci o ARTA MAJORA, dätätoare de capodopere.
As da o serie întreagä "din timpurile noastre" (Shreck, Nemo, name it), pe un singur scurt metraj cu Pluto, pe-o gäinä dansatoare de-ale lui McLaren, sau pe omuletul lui Gopo.
Ca sä nu mai zic cä din top lipseste "DISNEYLAND: The Goofy Success Story" (1955), un film de animatie care efectiv mi-a schimbat viata - ajutându-mä sä înteleg mult mai bine ce înseamnä animatia... si filmul în general.
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Old 18 Jun 2008, 18:36   #5
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Daca tot suntem la capitolu animatie in locu lu Shrek si Finding Nemo (care imi plac) as fi pus cu ochii inchisi Ratatouille si The Incredibles, in ordinea asta.

In rest, sunt de acord, in mare...
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Old 20 Jun 2008, 09:37   #6
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Greu de gasit o persoana care sa accepte aceste liste. Asta e si frumusetea, suntem diferiti si avem preferinte diferite.

Inainte de a-mi da parerea as intreba cum s-au ales genurile ? Unde sunt filmele de dragoste, filmele de razboi, muzicalurile, dramele din afara tribunalelor si unde sunt comediile care n-au legatura cu romantismul ?

Din lista personala cu all time favorite figureaza doar doua filme, Godfather si Annie Hall.

Unde as putea incadra Deer hunter si Apocalipse now, la epic ? Eternal sunshine of the spotless minds la romantic comedies sau la fantesy?

One flew over the cuckoo's nest, 21 gramms, Dr Strangelove, All that jazz si NBK n-au obiectul muncii......

In rest ce sa zic, as pune mai sus Blade runner, la fel Usual suspects langa care i-as face loc lui Memento, m-as intreba de e Clockwork orange science fiction iar King Kong fantezie, categorie in care l-as baga pe Big fish, as stramba din nas ca l-au lasat pe dinafara pe Sergio Leone cu cele doua westernuri care au loc oricand in top 10 si......ar merge Dogville la mistery?
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Old 20 Jun 2008, 13:48   #7
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Originally Posted by Pitbull:
ai dreptate: asta dovedeste cä "pe vremea lu' Bau Bau" filmul de animatie nu era o biatä meserie fäcutä cu computerul (bine, ce-i drept), ci o ARTA MAJORA, dätätoare de capodopere.
As da o serie întreagä "din timpurile noastre" (Shreck, Nemo, name it), pe un singur scurt metraj cu Pluto, pe-o gäinä dansatoare de-ale lui McLaren, sau pe omuletul lui Gopo.

sau pe conflictele epice dintre chip 'n dale si donald...
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Old 20 Jun 2008, 13:51   #8
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Evident! Prin Pluto, de fapt, m-am referit la tot Disney - äla vechiu' si adeväratu'!
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Originally Posted by victor:
Inainte de a-mi da parerea as intreba cum s-au ales genurile ? Unde sunt filmele de dragoste, filmele de razboi, muzicalurile, dramele din afara tribunalelor si unde sunt comediile care n-au legatura cu romantismul ?
In listele de cate 100 de filme pe care le tot face AFI anual. Dar anul asta au facut in loc de o lista mare 10 liste mici, astfel incat sa includa si genuri pentru care nu se justifica o lista gigantica, o chestie binevenita dupa parerea mea.
Having said that, nu mi se pare ca a face lista speciala cu "courtroom dramas" era necesar (ce urmeaza? "evil corporation legal thrillers"? "disaster movies"? "embarrassingly stupid singer-turned-actor vehicles"?). De asemenea, am impresia ca s-au chinuit sa includa unele filme (indiscutabil bune) care nu prea apartineau genurilor in care au fost plasate, in loc sa isi asume faptul ca fac exclusiv topuri cu filme de gen anul asta. Cea mai evidenta miscare de felul asta e cu City Lights.
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Originally Posted by Cazeemeer:
nu mi se pare ca a face lista speciala cu "courtroom dramas" era necesar (ce urmeaza? "evil corporation legal thrillers"? "disaster movies"? "embarrassingly stupid singer-turned-actor vehicles"?). De asemenea, am impresia ca s-au chinuit sa includa unele filme (indiscutabil bune) care nu prea apartineau genurilor in care au fost plasate, in loc sa isi asume faptul ca fac exclusiv topuri cu filme de gen anul asta. Cea mai evidenta miscare de felul asta e cu City Lights.
How true, on both scores.
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nu cred ca trebuie luate in serios topurile de mai sus.

in primul rand, eu personal nu cred in impartirea filmelor pe genuri. e o miscare destul de sterila, atata timp cat marile filme sunt o combinatie de 'genuri'. mai mult, unde incadrezi un film de tarantino ? sau un film de kubrick - unde bagi 'full metal jacket', de exemplu ? daca il bagi la 'war', esti cam naiv (filmul calca complet genul in picioare); daca il bagi la drama, esti mult prea vag. e genul 'kubrickian', altfel cum l-ai putea defini.

chiar si asa, era absolut previzibil ca membrii AFI se vor orienta dupa clasici (majoritatea filmelor, mai ales in prima 1/2 a topurilor sunt din perioada '30-'59 si un piculet dupa cu mici exceptii) si vor lasa capodopere recente in coada de peste - 'fight club', 'american beauty', 'memento'. mentalitate tipic americana - la granita intre conservatorismul britanicilor si sensibilitatea amerindienilor.
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si ink ceva - au disparut europa si asia cat timp am fost eu absent ? :?
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Old 25 Jun 2008, 10:00   #13
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Topul se numeste "America's 10 Greatest Films in 10 Classic Genres"

si cred ca trebuie sa moara vreo 2 generatii din AFI ca sa urce si filmele noi in top
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Old 25 Jun 2008, 10:24   #14
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am vazut linkul asta pe blogul lui mihai fulger. il pun eu aici k vad k el nu mai da pe forum.

http://canonmovies.blogspot.com/

contine topuri internationale anuale (pe ultimii 70 de ani parca) si cateva topuri ale unor regizori si ale unor tari.

nu stiu exact cum a fost realizat, dar pare destul de interesant.
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