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Old 15 Nov 2004, 14:08   #1
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The Manchurian Candidate

Hmmm...l-am asteptat mult timp, si in sfarsit am ajuns sa vad si eu filmul asta, care insa m-a cam dezamagit. Desi pare gandit destul de bine,pana la urma e inca un film cu conspiratii, ca America e in pericol, bla,bla.
Totusi ramane Denzel, care inca o data joaca excelent, si astfel parca mai salveaza filmul.
Per total, 6/10.
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Old 15 Nov 2004, 18:36   #2
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nenorocirea mea e ca l-am imprumutat acum cateva luni de la un amic si, cand colo, sa vezi parascovenie: bulangiul imi daduse manchurian-ul ala de acu patruj de ani
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flawless! frankenheimer at its best!
de unde nenorocirea? ca Bennett Marco e-acum negru! pastele mamii ei de viata... n-am nimic cu washington dar, damn, nu in locul lui sinatra :o
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Se simte, ca in mai toate remake-urile, stilul hollywoodian, dar, fara sa am o mostra din original, chiar mi-a placut filmul. Denzel e misto, Liev Schreiber e misto si Demme e indiscutabil de misto, chiar daca nu bestial. Pentru mine este o dovada "vie" ca regizorii cu adevarat buni chiar au ceva de oferit intr-un remake, nu doar un excrement care sa adune mustele verzui.
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Old 23 Nov 2004, 12:28   #4
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Mie mi-a placut mult de tot. A fost mai freaky decit ma asteptam, toti actorii joaca excelent (mai ales Schrieber), iar scenariul este excelent scris. Te tine atent permanent, si are citeva twist-uri foarte misto, nu ca acele twist-uri fortzate aproape inevitabile in ultimele filme de gen.
Btw, eu nu am vazut originalul, deci nu am cum sa compar cele doua filme.
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Old 24 Nov 2004, 16:34   #5
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l-am vazut si eu iari la 'studio'... nu pot sa zic ca m-a dezamagit, pt ca nici n-am avut asteptari cine stie ce de la el. tot ce citisem erau niste pareri fanatice pe imdb cum ca originalul este o capodopera si nimeni nu-l va intrece bla bla bla...

in primul rand, eu n-am mare lucru impotriva remake-urilor: 'dawn of the dead' a fost la fel de bun (desi diferit) ca filmul din '78, 'the thomas crown affair' a fost MAI BUN decat filmul lui jewison etc.

nici eu n-am vazut originalul (desi cred ca sinatra ar fi trebuit sa continue cu 'new york new york'), dar asta de jonathan demme a fost kiar mistocutz (desi nu sunt mare fan al regizorului, care cred ca va ramane regizorul unui singur mare film 'tacerea mieilor').

streep a jucat genial (chiar am citit ca ar intra in competitia oscarurilor la anul), washington asa si-asa (dar asta nu-i problema, pt ca washington decade pt mine - s-a ingrasat cat un porc si ofera din ce in ce mai des niste roluri cabotine bine exersate), shreiber bine, voight e de dragul afisului. dar cert e ca nu m-am plictisit la el. chiar deloc! in primul rand e remarcabila imaginea lui tak fujimoto (apropiat colaborator al lui demme si shyamalan), muzica lui rachel portman, montajul e genial, deci ca atmosfera e perfect.

pacat ca spre final se 'desira' incet (din pacate, deci insuportabil), dar sigur...
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Old 26 Nov 2004, 21:14   #6
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Mi-a placut filmul dar parca nu la fel de mult ca "Man on Fire" sau "Out of Time". Denzel Washington parca e prea translucid... Nu are un personaj puternic (gen Creasy din "Man on Fire" sau Alonzo din "Training Day") si e cam pus in umbra de Liev Schreiber si Meryl Streep care joaca foarte bine (el docil, maleabil se transforma intr-un criminal la un singur semnal, ea politician lipsit de scrupule)! Oricum este un film politic lansat in preajma alegerilor din SUA facand parte din curentul anti-Bush! Interesant ca subiect dar parca lipsit de finisare si previzibil spre final! Un thriller de actiune care nu o da in bara!
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Old 28 Nov 2004, 15:06   #7
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Oricum este un film politic lansat in preajma alegerilor din SUA facand parte din curentul anti-Bush!

oare se poate manca mai mult kkt in legatura cu subiectul asta ? de parca originalul lui frankenheimer era anti-nu-stiu-cine...
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Old 28 Nov 2004, 21:24   #8
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Din cate stiu eu "originalul lui Frankenheimer" se invarte in jurul razboiului din Koreea pe cand filmul lui Demme porneste in jurul razboiului din Golf cand cine era presedintele Americii: George Bush Sr.
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Old 30 Nov 2004, 16:22   #9
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Din cate stiu eu "originalul lui Frankenheimer" se invarte in jurul razboiului din Koreea pe cand filmul lui Demme porneste in jurul razboiului din Golf cand cine era presedintele Americii: George Bush Sr.

si ce daca ?...
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Old 30 Nov 2004, 18:46   #10
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Nici originalul nu era extraordinar, dar varianta asta e de-a dreptul igrozitoare... Un film complet "sters", fara nimic remarcabil

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Old 01 Dec 2004, 02:16   #11
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o nota proastã celor care au avut ideea sa altereze titlul filmului pe ecranele din România;

'candidatul manchurian' e o expresie clasicã, e chestie de culturã generalã, de ce apare excesul ãsta de zel în a explica ce nu e nevoie sã fie explicat...; pînã si francezii si nemtii au tradus titlul nealterat..;
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Old 01 Dec 2004, 10:40   #12
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"The Manchurian Candidate" e un film care are vreo logica doar pt americani in contextul post 9/11 (sint mai paranoici acum, sa-i intelegem).
Probabil ca lansarea in celelalte tari n-a fost o idee prea fericita...

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Old 01 Dec 2004, 11:59   #13
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Termina cu aiurelile astea. O fi un "film politic", dar mie personal mi s-a rupta intotdeuna de politica asa ca din sintagma de mai sus a ramas doar cuvantul "film". Si ca film este peste medie.
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Old 01 Dec 2004, 21:54   #14
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Citez din revista "Time", august 2004:
" THE POLITICS BEHIND THE POPCORN: With political films like <<Fahrenheit 9/11>> and <<The Manchurian Candidate>>, in which Denzel Washington tries to unravel a lot by a Halliburton-esque military conglomerate, even fluffy summer entertainment is starting to look a lot like a political statement"

Am spus ca e un film politic deoarece arata jocul de culise intr-o posibila alegere a presedintelui in SUA si ca este anti-Bush deoarece este un film anti-razboi (cred ca intentionat actiunea se petrece in Iraq) si pentru ca Bush a ajuns la putere datorita unei controversate numarari de voturi!

Oricum lasand polemica este un film bun care merita vazut!
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Ma refeream la Radu.
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Old 02 Dec 2004, 09:43   #16
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Nu m-a prea impresionat.Eu zic ca denzel salveaza filmul ,merita sa-l vezi numai pentru ca jocul lui
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Old 03 Dec 2004, 21:58   #17
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Originally Posted by PoliFanAthic:
Ma refeream la Radu.

ok...
mie mi s-a parut destul de greu sa separ cele 2 lucruri in cazul de fata.
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Nu spun ca ar fi "o greseala" sau ceva in aceasta directie, este puro si simplissimo atitudinea mea fata de acest film. In general nu ma uit la un filme pe tema politica facand constant parelele, indiferent daca acesta ii este telul (filmului) sau nu - "filme artistice", nu documentare. Don't take it personal.
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Old 04 Dec 2004, 19:45   #19
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Denzel, ca Denzel dar totusi il musca pe Liev de spate! si Denzel nu prea aduce a Hannibal Lecter!
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Originally Posted by Terror_IST:
Citez din revista "Time", august 2004:
" THE POLITICS BEHIND THE POPCORN: With political films like <<Fahrenheit 9/11>> and <<The Manchurian Candidate>>, in which Denzel Washington tries to unravel a lot by a Halliburton-esque military conglomerate, even fluffy summer entertainment is starting to look a lot like a political statement"

Am spus ca e un film politic deoarece arata jocul de culise intr-o posibila alegere a presedintelui in SUA si ca este anti-Bush deoarece este un film anti-razboi (cred ca intentionat actiunea se petrece in Iraq) si pentru ca Bush a ajuns la putere datorita unei controversate numarari de voturi!

Terror_IST, nu ca as avea ceva cu tine, dar de ce insisti cu aberatia asta lansata de americani ? in valul de paranoia pe care, recunosc, l-a starnit alegerea lui bush (sau iminenta sa alegere, mai degraba) si blestematul de michael moore , este normal ca americanii sa vada venin intr-o biata musculita de otet...
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