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Old 20 Mar 2005, 15:15   #1
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Situat la confluenta lui Memento cu Fight Club, alimentat de apele din care isi pescuieste Lynch ideile.
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 18:26   #2
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 18:37   #3
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Nebun; adicã nesociabil, altminteri bãiat bun, cu ceva tare din trecut
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 19:39   #4
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foarte bun dupa mine. atmosfera de vorbesti singur in anumite momente.
film muncit destept ca sa zic asha.
pas inainte facut de anderson de la session 9 incoace (pe care l-am vazut insa dupa, credit -> zizi)
de vazut de toata lumea
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 20:08   #5
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Originally Posted by Longshot:
film muncit destept ca sa zic asha.
pas inainte facut de anderson de la session 9 incoace (pe care l-am vazut insa dupa, credit -> zizi)
de vazut de toata lumea
session 9 a fost Ok... Machinist m-a speriat. Filmul foarte bun.
Intrebare: chiar a slabit Bale ptr acest rol ? Pe mine m-a socat.
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 20:57   #6
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cum adiq "chiar a slabit"? tu nu l-ai vazut?
30 kg down. recordul in domeniu ... i think
suparator insa ca, desi kidman knd isi trage nas fals primeste un nod si chiar premiu, asta nu primeste nimic, nici macar buzz, pt slabit.
bine, a nu se intelege gresit, in general nu aprob chestia asta cu premiile, doar pt efortul depus de a semana cu personajul...dar totusi, daca tot o practici, macar aplica la toti.
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 21:32   #7
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"nostim", ar mai fi de stiut ca filmul e produs in spania, finantat de cnc-ul lor, producatori, echipa, platouri, locatii, post-productie etc, totul realizat exclusiv in spania.
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 21:42   #8
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Originally Posted by zizi:
"nostim", ar mai fi de stiut ca filmul e produs in spania, finatat de cnc-ul lor, producatori, echipa, platouri, locatii, post-productie etc, totul realizat exclusiv in spania.

De unde si titlul original: El Maquinista.
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Originally Posted by Longshot:
suparator insa ca, desi kidman knd isi trage nas fals primeste un nod si chiar premiu, asta nu primeste nimic, nici macar buzz, pt slabit.
Este de apreciat ceea ce a facut Bale... dar mi se pare ca a exagerat un pic. Adica nu am crezut ca cineva ar fi in stare sa ajunga in situatia asta? Eu nu stiu daca as face-o...
tot socat raman ... :shock:
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Old 21 Mar 2005, 16:32   #10
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60 pounds = 30 kg?
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Old 21 Mar 2005, 17:52   #11
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mi se pare ca 0,4 kg=1 p
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Old 21 Mar 2005, 19:22   #12
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Originally Posted by BeNnY:
60 pounds = 30 kg?
eu asa stiam... 1 kilo is worth 2 pounds.
but that's not the point ... the point iz ...
In film Christian Bale este infricoshator... i'm having a hard time coping with this!
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Old 21 Mar 2005, 19:50   #13
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are you kiddin me people? ce cauta filmul asta aici?
sa fiim seriosi, numai pentru ca nu este un film american, si numai pentru ca este filmat intr-un stil de neo-expressionism german nu-l face iconoclast. Ambra, te-am crezut un pic mai serios.

filmul este bun, asta e incontestabil. actorii sunt buni, povestea e misto, si pana la urma, si deznodamantul este intr-un fel 'european', insa asta nu-l ac4e iconoclast. de placut mi-a placut atunci cand l-am vazut, si cred ca i-am dat si 11/10 pe cinemagia, insa topicul s-aici este aberant.

deh... maybe it'll grow, who knows.
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Old 21 Mar 2005, 20:01   #14
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Originally Posted by Ambra Blu:
1. La iconoclast intra apocrifele sau evangheliile rasturnate dupa Matei. Si ce vreau eu sa intre.
2. Sint filme de nuante, care pot scapa spectatorului grabit.

Uite ca am retinut ceva din A Streetcar Named Desire: Huey Long - Every man's a king. And AB is the king in Iconoclast.
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Old 21 Mar 2005, 20:22   #15
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nu stiu, ferindu-ma totusi de adjective si de ridicat in slavi, conteaza atat de mult unde e bagat filmul, cat timp primeste, binemeritat, un pic de atentie?

p.s. : si oricum, iconoclastul e felia lu' ambra.
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Old 23 Mar 2005, 09:12   #16
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Mai coerent dar mai putin obsedant decat Lynch,mai slab ca structura narativa decat Memento.Influentele unor filme(Lost Highway,Memento,Fight Club) sunt evidente asa ca de multe ori ai senzatii de deja-vu.Totusi un film care merita urmarit!
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subscriu la majoritatea celor spuse, mai ales la scary weightlosing.

personal deznodamantul mi s-a parut slabutz de tot.. adika te tot asteptai la ceva mai profund ... si fazele cu subconstientul alterand realitatea pe baza asociativa sunt bine integrate narativ dar parca prea prea a fost pus accentul pe ele.. si degeaba. ceva obsesiv.
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Originally Posted by Bulumulu:
subscriu la majoritatea celor spuse, mai ales la scary weightlosing.
dece(?!), he lookes just like me...
Originally Posted by Bulumulu:
personal deznodamantul mi s-a parut slabutz de tot.. adika te tot asteptai la ceva mai profund ... si degeaba. ceva obsesiv.

that was the clue, don't you think? european in loc de american.
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Originally Posted by Bulumulu:
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dece(?!), he lookes just like me...

man, you may have a problem...
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Old 29 Apr 2005, 01:26   #20
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buuun.
"follow the red rabit into hell, alice" sau paranoici caucazieni insomniaci, welcome to the carnival.
buun.hai ca am mult de scris, e proaspat in minte si memorie "post-retiniana" asa ca...
sa spunem ca e un film foarte bun. cu toate amendamentele, cu nervul de a spune ca te simti un pic pacalit cand ii afli cheia si ai o mica senzatie de psalm subversiv, cu doza de simbol un pic mai ieftin decat s-ar fi putut, e un film FOARTE bun.
pentru ca de fapt, si aici vine marele joc, simbolul e continuu, constant, omniprezent.mai "calitos" sau nu, cum spunea madame tudorache, dar exista.
ai un personaj parca scos din picturile lui francis bacon (inclusiv iz de ulei pe panza, pentru ca lumina cade in asa fel pe pielea lui incat ii da textura, omul e un studiu anatomic pe butaforie, uhaaaa), luat generos in racourci (aici ma bucur enorm, sunt adepta a pleonasmului cinematografic la modul asta-dom'le, imi ajut personajul cu tot ce inseamna proptea tehnica), ai recurentele alea geometrice obsedante (pe care nu le inteleg, dar ele exista, de vreo 3 ori, reznick iese din cadru si scharful se schimba pe un mic ansamblu geometric de dreptunghiuri-odata un perete, odata un vitraliu...si mai era ceva).
ai toata treaba aia freudiana de deversare a inconstientului personal(sleep depravation leads to abnormal subconcious manifestations), ai mitul doppelgangerului (ivan, un fel de jiminy cricket supradimensionat si grotesc-genial, hehe), ai delirium tremens.
sublim.dupa care, pour les connaiseurs, binomul stanga-dreapta ca simbol: cu mana dreapta juri, cu stanga injuri (metaforic, evident). miller isi pierde stanga, iese din decorul ala brave new world si intra "afara", in soare, la taiat iarba si stat cu sotia si la pavaj curat suburban.directia e mereu stanga:road to hell.
dupa care, mama ma-sii de glumita, pe tricoul lui reznick din final, de la condamnare, scrie justice brothers...
e bun, e puternic, e iconoclast. ma amuza frivolitatea cu care trateaza anumite aspecte, aproape vizand grotescul ala de film de serie b horror.
dupa care atarna imaginea fostului bale, rotofeu si curat,in sensul "iata ce era papusa asta de aracet si ziare inainte de a deveni..."
ei, da...
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