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Old 12 Apr 2012, 13:45   #61
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Originally Posted by varu:
I give them a required reading list that has nothing to do with cinema.

fuck yes, de o mie de ori da! aşa da, mersi varu. perfect de acord. îmi dă şi mie cineva dreptate în lumea asta
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Old 12 Apr 2012, 14:12   #62
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Originally Posted by Federico:
anti-elitismul lui Herzog e destul de notoriu


5 Brief Lessons From Werner Herzog's Film School
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Who said anything about watching movies?

I tell them to read, read, read, read, read, read, read. Only those who read own the world. Those who are on the internet or watch TV too much lose the world. I give them a required reading list that has nothing to do with cinema. I tell them to read Virgil, to read Latin. To read Latin is to understand the genesis of our culture, of the Western world.

http://www.indiewire.com/article/5_l...gs_film_school

http://www.amazon.com/Herzog-Paul-Cronin/dp/0571207081

Poti sa-ncepi cu capitolul Athletics over Aesthetics.

Originally Posted by Mercutio:

daca asa citesti tu cartile...

Asa cum? Am zis eu ca nu stiu de faza cu Freud si Jung? Stiam. Tin minte ca zicea ceva de genul ca se simte intimidat de Freud, ca Freud are o ton autoritar, de father figure sau maestru zen, iar de Jung ii placea ca poate sa-l abordeze mai de la egal la egal, ca pe un frate sau tovaras or whatever, nu prea e important. Important e ca Freud si Jung sunt hardly niste garanti ai finetii intelectuale a celui pe care i-a citit - sunt chestii de cultura generala, intr-o buna masura.
La ce ma refeream eu era ca citisem undeva dupa ce vazusem Amarcord cum cineva nega pretentia unei referinte asumate la Portrait-ul lui Joyce dintr-o anumita scena a filmului, pe motiv ca Fellini nu era genul asta de artist, wrapped up in admiratia pentru precursori, mentorii, inspiratorii sau omologii sai din lumea artelor, si simtind nevoia sa-i referentieze, omagieze sau sa le preia din caramizile lor creative si sa le integreze in arhitectura propriei sale opere. Na, poti sa zici ca-i doar un zvon, ca nu crezi pana nu vezi, blabla,dar eu am motive sa cred ca individul stia ce vorbeste.
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Old 13 Apr 2012, 02:08   #63
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Originally Posted by Federico:
Asa cum? Am zis eu ca nu stiu de faza cu Freud si Jung? Stiam. Tin minte ca zicea ceva de genul ca se simte intimidat de Freud, ca Freud are o ton autoritar, de father figure sau maestru zen, iar de Jung ii placea ca poate sa-l abordeze mai de la egal la egal, ca pe un frate sau tovaras or whatever, nu prea e important. Important e ca Freud si Jung sunt hardly niste garanti ai finetii intelectuale a celui pe care i-a citit - sunt chestii de cultura generala, intr-o buna masura.
La ce ma refeream eu era ca citisem undeva dupa ce vazusem Amarcord cum cineva nega pretentia unei referinte asumate la Portrait-ul lui Joyce dintr-o anumita scena a filmului, pe motiv ca Fellini nu era genul asta de artist, wrapped up in admiratia pentru precursori, mentorii, inspiratorii sau omologii sai din lumea artelor, si simtind nevoia sa-i referentieze, omagieze sau sa le preia din caramizile lor creative si sa le integreze in arhitectura propriei sale opere. Na, poti sa zici ca-i doar un zvon, ca nu crezi pana nu vezi, blabla,dar eu am motive sa cred ca individul stia ce vorbeste.

lasa-ma sa rad, freud si jung sunt cultura generala (probabil toata lumea ii stie acum din filmul lui cronenberg) si finetea intelectuala rezida exclusiv in joyce. si chiar asa fiind, asta il face pe fellini sarac cu duhul? e mirceabadeasca afirmatia asta. ca si aia anterioara cu bresson de altfel.
but it's ok!!! e tarlaua ta. plantezi ce vrei pe ea. sorry, eu m-am varat in discutie.
my mistake, eu sunt in confuzie aici, ce vrei, oricine se poate insela, cum bine zicea ariciul dandu-se jos de pe o perie.

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Old 13 Apr 2012, 09:53   #64
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Originally Posted by Mercutio:
finetea intelectuala rezida exclusiv in joyce.
Nu, Mercutio, nu.

LOL NU!!!!!!

PS: Uite, de-aici originase afirmatia mea, daca vrei sa stii. Repet, dovezi - zip! Dar whatever...

Fellini was always pretty open about his lack of intellectual background. He read hardly any literature except what was in school and even many important films he neglected to see. (He started out as a caricaturist.) Any allusions to other artists in his films are usually what he picked up from the intellectuals surrounding him and these are treated tongue-in-cheek. In short, don't bother to look for Joyce in anything by Fellini; the most you are going to get may be a character (usually a pseudo-intellectual) mentioning him. Same thing for Proust, Rimbaud, etc., etc. Fellini probably never read them and was honest about it.

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Old 13 Apr 2012, 10:08   #65
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1. In eseul sau despre Lost Highway Zizek a spus ca Schindler's List este un film pseudo-serios.

2. Pe prima linie din documentul de sub link-ul pe care l-am pus si in topicul "Doar un alt visator" Robert Mckee scrie: Definition of “Story”: A series of events that fit together in such a way as to teach a Value

La prima I'm just saying.
A doua ma intriga. E cineva care nu e de acord cu asertiunea (in special tinand cont de zona ingrosata)? Da sau nu. "De ce"-ul e faculativ, dar extrem de bine-venit.
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Originally Posted by Federico:
Definition of “Story”: A series of events that fit together in such a way as to teach a Value
That's more like a fable than a story. But then again, the fable is also a story. Not every story is a fable, though...
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Desi nu sunt sigur daca pot sa zic exact ce si cum, am sentimentul puternic ca majoritatea filmelor lui Tarkovski sunt conduse din umbra de o idee-valoare. Totusi, nu m-as grabi -- lile, deloc! -- sa apelez la cuvantul fabula ca sa le caracterizez. Fabula are o rezonanta aspra. Ma duce cu gandul la niste povete acut ideologice ostentative si idiotice. Plus ca termenul "teach" trebe luat cu sita de 16 aici - la fel de bine se potrivesc si: depict, suggest, imply, allude etc.
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