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Old 27 Feb 2005, 17:38   #21
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Originally Posted by marx:
Cand citesti o carte esti atat de curios sa stii cum a fost manufacturiata?

felicitari pentru analogie, mork ! n-am mai auzit ceva atat de sugestiv de la 'daca iubesti copiii si esti tanti educatoare, inseamna ca esti pedofila ?' (aluzie la pasiunea pt film, avuta in discutie anul trecut pe vremea asta.)
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 17:54   #22
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marx, cu scuzele de rigoare. if you want to sell the texture, you have to know to make the fabric..
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Pe lumea asta exista lucruri fizice, obiecte palpabile (manufacturiate) si lucruri (impropriu spus) spirituale, idei care au alte coordonate de exprimare si perceptie. D'asta o pelicula nefolosita e mai putin valoroasa decat una impregnata de idei.
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 17:57   #23
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Originally Posted by Ambra Blu:
Nu, dar cind ma uit la un film, nu imi ascund curiozitatile specifice ghildei. E ceva care tine mai degraba de cineasti decit de cinefili, necontind gradul de implicare/ initiere al acestora.
Just. Cineastul nu e un cinefil contemplativ.
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 18:03   #24
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Originally Posted by marx:
Just. Cineastul nu e un cinefil contemplativ.

Cineastul poate fi, nu e obligatoriu, cinefilul cu abilitati de homo faber.
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 18:15   #25
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Originally Posted by Ambra Blu:
Cineastul poate fi, nu e obligatoriu, cinefilul cu abilitati de homo faber.
Truffaut e un exemplu.

PS: Bertolucci, altul.
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 18:22   #26
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Originally Posted by marx:
Originally Posted by Ambra Blu:
Cineastul poate fi, nu e obligatoriu, cinefilul cu abilitati de homo faber.
Truffaut e un exemplu.

PS: Bertolucci, altul.
Sau chiar Quentin Tarantino.
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 18:31   #27
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Originally Posted by Ambra Blu:
Sau chiar Quentin Tarantino.
No, asta e cinefil de pravalie.
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 18:52   #28
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Originally Posted by marx:
Originally Posted by Ambra Blu:
Sau chiar Quentin Tarantino.
No, asta e cinefil de pravalie.

Ma lasi cu diferentierea intre cinefilia de cartier si aia de cinemateca?
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 18:56   #29
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Originally Posted by Ambra Blu:
Ma lasi cu diferentierea intre cinefilia de cartier si aia de cinemateca?
Daca porti o cruce nu ocoli drumul Golgotei.
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 19:00   #30
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Originally Posted by marx:
Originally Posted by Ambra Blu:
Ma lasi cu diferentierea intre cinefilia de cartier si aia de cinemateca?
Daca porti o cruce nu ocoli drumul Golgotei.

Poti sa porti aceeasi cruce si daca alegi sa nu mergi pe via dolorosa. Sau calitatea de a fi cinefil e direct proportionala cu numarul de filme alb-negru vazute? Principiul the older, the better nu se aplica aici, pentru ca am vorbi deja de oenologi.
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 19:06   #31
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Originally Posted by Ambra Blu:
Poti sa porti aceeasi cruce si daca alegi sa nu mergi pe via dolorosa. Sau calitatea de a fi cinefil e direct proportionala cu numarul de filme alb-negru vazute? Principiul the older, the better nu se aplica aici, pentru ca am vorbi deja de oenologi.
Discutia asta ai transferat-o spre alte idei. Deci, si-a pierdut valoarea.
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 19:12   #32
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Originally Posted by notorious:
felicitari pentru analogie, mork ! n-am mai auzit ceva atat de sugestiv de la 'daca iubesti copiii si esti tanti educatoare, inseamna ca esti pedofila ?' (aluzie la pasiunea pt film, avuta in discutie anul trecut pe vremea asta.)
Tot mai speri sa reintri in gratzii ? :sick: Ninge si e mazga afara, cum stam cu gumarii ?

Originally Posted by Ambra Blu:
Nu, dar cind ma uit la un film, nu imi ascund curiozitatile specifice ghildei. E ceva care tine mai degraba de cineasti decit de cinefili, necontind gradul de implicare/ initiere al acestora.
Corect !

De cand e Tarantino "de cartier''? :shock:
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 19:18   #33
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Originally Posted by marx:
Originally Posted by Ambra Blu:
Poti sa porti aceeasi cruce si daca alegi sa nu mergi pe via dolorosa. Sau calitatea de a fi cinefil e direct proportionala cu numarul de filme alb-negru vazute? Principiul the older, the better nu se aplica aici, pentru ca am vorbi deja de oenologi.
Discutia asta ai transferat-o spre alte idei. Deci, si-a pierdut valoarea.
Nu, ai tu obsesia asta ca derapez eu. Vorbind pe banda dreapta a autostrazii, afirm ca nu exista diferentire in stricto sensu intre un cinefil de pravalie - termen separatist si total neavenit - si unul de cinemateca. Definitia cuvintului cinefil pe care, fara indoiala, o cunosti, suna asa:

CINEFÍL, -Ã, cinefili, -e, s.m. ºi f. Persoanã amatoare de filme, care frecventeazã mult spectacolele cinematografice. ◊ (Adjectival) Public cinefil. – Din fr. cinéphile.

Si Truffaut, fostul delincvent, si Tarantino intra in categoria cinefili, affcionados, film buffs, etc si cineasti. Nu stii exact unde bati, si asta face ca cele zise sa isi piarda valoarea.
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 19:22   #34
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Originally Posted by marx:

Pe lumea asta exista lucruri fizice, obiecte palpabile (manufacturiate) si lucruri (impropriu spus) spirituale, idei care au alte coordonate de exprimare si perceptie. D'asta o pelicula nefolosita e mai putin valoroasa decat una impregnata de idei.

marx? marx? okay.. marx. marx. look.

(beat)

vrei sa zici, adica intre o pelicula filmata si una noua e o diferenta?
...ok, ok, i can grasp the concept.. animus si anima, spirit si materie, s't baiat dejtept ce dracu.. da' zic io ca tre' sa fie si diferente intre alea filmate, ca altfel nu ne-am bate pe diferentele alea, ma urmaresti ? si baietii aia care primesc kilometri de film si-i dau inapoi marx, mai urati decat erau n-ar mai fi de blamat, ci poate i-am lua chiar cu noi in casa, in loc de tv, sa schimbam felul in care e perceputa atazi tehnologia home video..

stai, stai; marx.. marx. tot ce vreau de la tine e o sansa, inca una, daca anticariatul tau de moravuri mai e deschis azi, uita-te in ochii mei marx, am tot ce ii trebuie unui castigator, auzi ? tot ce trebuie.

si pe urma maine cand te trezesti poti sa zambesti linistit, deja ai inceput ziua cu bine, fapta crestina s-a savarsit ieri, esti deja absolvit pentru astazi..

marx, marx... ai un prieten ? pentru ca azi pot sa fiu prietenul tau.

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Originally Posted by Airlight:

(beat)


uita-te in ochii mei marx, am tot ce ii trebuie unui castigator, auzi ? tot ce trebuie.
Nu e bine sa scrii beat pe forum, risti sa pici in ridicol. Mai faceau unii chestia asta si s-au facut de comitet.

Cam multi de "marx".

Impresionant. Te poti uita in ochii cuiva prin intermediul unui forum ? :?
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stai, stai; marx.. marx. tot ce vreau de la tine e o sansa, inca una, daca anticariatul tau de moravuri mai e deschis azi, uita-te in ochii mei marx, am tot ce ii trebuie unui castigator, auzi ? tot ce trebuie.


Scrieti baieti orice, numai scrieti!!! Mai ales in starea asta...
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Old 27 Feb 2005, 19:40   #37
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Originally Posted by nume:

Cam multi de "marx".

Impresionant. Te poti uita in ochii cuiva prin intermediul unui forum ? :?

Nu stiu daca ai glumit sau nu, dar, in contextul de fata, (beat) este preluat din structura scenariului american (in relatie cu secventele, scenele).
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Pare rau baieti ca n-ati prins gluma.. Sper ca marx sa nu se fi suparat.
It was all meant to be taken with a grain of salt.


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A booth at a Chinese restaurant, Williamson and Levene are
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uuu, a david mamet fan... now it's getting interesting...

totusi, v-ati cam indepartat de topicu' initial... maybe we get back to it... someday, somehow.
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Old 28 Feb 2005, 16:26   #40
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Originally Posted by nume:
De cand e Tarantino "de cartier''?

din cate stiu eu, tarantino nu are studii de specialitate, este pur si simplu un cinefil care si-a format cultura intr-un magazin video - un soarece de videoteca (de altfel, exact asta era o asemanare facuta de ALS intre tarantino si gorzo ! :lol. dovada ca, uneori, cultura si pasiunea pt film sunt suficiente pt un cineast.

este un cineast 'de cartier', dar un cineast original, greu, un clasic in becoming...

p.s.: comparatia pe care ai citat-o tu, regret sa te informez, este folosita in sens peiorativ. de ce nu gandesti, macar o data, inainte sa p(r)ostezi ?
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