Al Pacino vs. Robert de Niro

[CIPRYX]

Well...ideea ar fi ca Pacino cred ca joaca mai bine teatru decat de Niro.Iar cu faptul ca Pacino nu e acomodat cu teatru...nu prea ma simt confortabil, nu prea cred.Pana nu-l vad eu nu stiu ce sa zic...

[CIPRYX]

Si inca un lucru...mea culpa ca n-am citit cu atentie mesajul lui Gaandalf.Am atribuit propozitia " A zis k nu se putea concentra..." acelui prof si de aici nelamurirea mea...graba e unul din defectele mele si n-am stat sa citesc cu atentie si restul mesajului.Insa imi sustin parerea din mesajele de mai sus.

[Gaandalf]

Pana nu-l vad eu nu stiu ce sa zic...

corect - singura mea dovada este verishoara mea de la UNATC. Nu ar avea de ce sa bata campii ...

[CIPRYX]

Al Pacino este un subiect vast...nu zic ca verisoara ta a batut campii, dar mi-e greu sa cred ca un actor de calibrul lui, obisnuit totusi cu teatrul, sa-i faca fata greu.Poate are unele deprinderi de la film, cum in film ii apar deprinderile din teatru, insa un actor prost de teatru nu cred ca are cum sa fie.Mai multe n-am ce sa zic ca nici nu m-am interesat...daca mai aflu ceva legat de subiectul asta...o sa va anunt.

[CIPRYX]

Iata o lista cu piesele in care a jucat Pacino:

1962

THE ADVENTURES OF HIGH JUMP(Children's Theater)
Staged: Theater East, New York City
Director: Julio Garzone
Cast: Al Pacino

JACK AND THE BEANSTALK(Children's Theater)
Staged: Cafe Bizarre, New York City
Director: Matt Clark
Cast: Al Pacino
1963

HELLO, OUT THERE by William Saroyan
Staged: Cafe Cino, New York City
Director: Charlie Laughton
Cast: Al Pacino, Owen Hollander, Jeanine Hagerty, Jim Bullet
1965

THE CREDITORS by August Strindberg
Staged: The Actors' Gallery, New York City
Director: Frank Backimarso, Charlie Laughton
Cast: Al Pacino, Julie Crushnic
1966

WHY IS A CROOKED LETTER by Fred Vassi
Staged: Alec Rubin's Theater of Encounter, West Seventy-second Street, New York City
Director: Alec Rubin
Cast: Al Pacino

Obie nomination: Al Pacino

THE INDIAN WANTS THE BRONX by Israel Horovitz (a one-act drama)
Staged: Eugene O'Neill Memorial Theater, Waterford, Connecticut (workshop production)
Director: Julio Garzone
Cast: Al Pacino, John Cazale, Matthew Cowles

THE PEACE CREEPS by John Wolfson
Staged: New Theater Workshop Co., New York City
Director: John Stix
Cast: James Earl Jones, Al Pacino
1967

AWAKE AND SING! by Clifford Odets
Staged: Charles Playhouse, Boston, Massachusetts
Director: Michael Murray
Cast: Al Pacino, Will Lee, Lynn Milgrim, John Seitz, Eda Reiss Merin

AMERICA, HURRAH by Jean-Claude Van Itallie
Staged: Charles Playhouse, Boston, Massachusetts
Director: Michael Murray
Cast: Al Pacino, John Seitz, Jill Clayburgh
1968

THE INDIAN WANTS THE BRONX by Israel Horovitz
Staged: Astor Place Theater, New York City, in a double bill with Horovitz's "It's Called the Sugar Plum" (subsequently on tour: Spoleto Theater Festival, Italy)
Director: James Hammerstein
Cast: Al Pacino, John Cazale, Matthew Cowles
Opened: January 17, 1968; 204 performances

Best Actor Obie: Al Pacino; Best Supporting Actor Obie: John Cazale; Best New Play Obie: Israel Horovitz
1969

DOES A TIGER WEAR A NECKTIE? by Don Petersen
Staged: Belasco Theater, New York City
Director: Michael Schultz
Cast: Hal Holbrook, David Opatoshu, Al Pacino, Lazaro Perez, Richard Bright
Opened: February 25, 1969; 39 performances

Best Dramatic Actor, Supporting Role Tony: Al Pacino

THE LOCAL STIGMATIC by Heathcote Williams
Staged: Actor's Playhouse, New York City
Director: Arthur Storch (previously directed by Ralph Waite as an Actors' Studio Workshop production)
Cast: Al Pacino, Michael Hadge, Joe Maher, Paul Benedict
Opened: November 1969; 8 performances
1970

CAMINO REAL by Tennessee Williams
Staged: Lincoln Center Repertory Theater, New York City
Director: Milton Katselas
Cast: Al Pacino, Susan Tyrrell, Jessica Tandy, Jean-Pierre Aumont

RATS by Israel Horovits
Staged: Charles Playhouse, Boston, Massachusetts (David Wheeler's Theater Company of Boston)
Director: Al Pacino
Cast: Jack Kehoe, Andrew Winner
1972

THE BASIC TRAINING OF PAVLO HUMMEL by David Rabe
Staged: Charles Theater, Boston, Massachusetts (David Wheeler's Theater Company of Boston)
Director: David Wheeler
Cast: Al Pacino, Barry Snider, Jack Kehoe, Lance Henriksen, Richard Lynch, Ron Hunter, Richard Bright
1972-73

RICHARD III by William Shakespeare
Staged: Loeb Drama Center, Boston, Massachusetts (December 1972) First Presbyterian Church, Boston, Massachusetts (January 1973) (David Wheeler's Theater Company of Boston)
Director: David Wheeler
Cast: Al Pacino, Penny Allen, Lance Henriksen, Han Egleson, Norman Ornellas
1975

THE RESISTIBLE RISE OF ARTURO UI by Bertolt Brecht
Staged: Charle Playhouse, Boston, Massachusetts (David Wheeler's Theater Company of Boston)
Director: David Wheeler
Cast: Al Pacino, John Cazale, Penny Allen, Sully Boyar, Garry Goodrow, Jack Hollander, Jaime Sanchez, Brad Sullivan Taylor Mead, Paul Benedict
1976

THE LOCAL STIGMATIC by Heathcote Williams
Staged: Joe Papp's Public Theater, New York City
Director: David Wheeler
Cast: Al Pacino, John Cazale, Joe Maher, Jake Dengel
1977

THE BASIC TRAINING OF PAVLO HUMMEL by David Rabe
Staged: Longacre Theater, New York City (David Wheeler's Theater Company of Boston)
Director: David Wheeler
Cast: Al Pacino, Walter Lott, Jack Kehoe, Lance Henriksen, Richard Lynch, Richard Bright, Larry Bryggman, Paul Guilfoyle, Ron Hunter, Brad Sullivan, Rebecca Dark Tisa Chan
Opened: April 14 (previews), April 24 (regular performances)
Closed: September 3 (117 performances)

Best Dramatic Actor Tony: Al Pacino
1979

HAMLET by William Shakespeare
Staged: Joe Papp's New York Shakespeare Festival Theater (workshop only)
Director: Joe Papp
Cast: Al Pacino, Meryl Streep, Christopher Walken, Raul Julia

THE JUNGLE OF THE CITIES by Bertolt Brecht
Staged: Circle in the Square, New York City (staged readings only)
Director: Liviu Ciulei
Cast: Al Pacino

OTHELLO by William Shakespeare
Staged: Lincoln Center Vivian Beaumont Theater, New York City (rehearsals only)
Director: Arthur Sherman
Cast: Al Pacino, Ron Liebman

RIGHARD III by William Shakespeare
Staged: Cort Theater, New York City
Director: David Wheeler
Cast: Al Pacino, Penny Allen, Lance Henriksen, Max Wright, Paul Guilfoyle, Larry Bryggman, Paul Benedict, Ron Hunter, Richard Bright
Opened: June 10, 1979 (following 25 previews)
Closed: July 15, 1979 (33 nonpreview performances)
1980

AMERICAN BUFFALO by David Mamet
Staged: Long Wharf Theater Company, New Haven, Connecticut
Director: Arvin Brown
Cast: Al Pacino, Clifton James, Thomas Waites,
Opened: October 1980; five-week run
1982

AMERICAN BUFFALO by David Mamet
Staged: Downtown Circle in the Square, New York City
Director: Arvin Brown
Cast: Al Pacino, J.J. Johnson, Thomas Waites
Opened: February 17, 1982 (previews). February 25, 1982 (regular performances)
Closed: July 11, 1982

THE HAIRY APE by Eugene O'Neill
Staged: Circle in the Square, New York City (workshop rehearsals only)
Director: Ted Mann
Cast: Al Pacino
1983-84

AMERICAN BUFFALO by David Mamet
Staged: Kennedy Center for Performing Arts, Washington, D.C., then Booth Theater, New York City
Director: Arvin Brown
Cast: Al Pacino, J.J. Jhonson, James Hayden, Bruce MacVittie
Opened: October 20 (previews), October 27 (regular performances)
Closed: February 4, 1984 (102 performances)
1984

AMERICAN BUFFALO by David Mamet
Staged: Duke of York's Theatre, London
Director: Arvin Brown
Cast: Al Pacino, J.J. Johnson, Bruce MacVittie
1986-87

JULIUS CAESAR by William Shakespeare
Staged: Joe Papp's New York Shakespeare Festival Theater
Director: Stuart Vaughan
Cast: Al Pacino, Martin Sheen, Edward Herrmann

CRYSTAL CLEAR devised by Phil Young (originally created through improvisation with Anthony Allen, Philomena McDonagh and Diana Barrett)
Staged: Workshop only, subsequently abandoned
Director: Phil Young
Cast: Al Pacino
1988

NATIONAL ANTHEM by Dennis McIntyre
Staged: On-book reading, New Haven, Connecticut
Director: Arvin Brown
Cast: Al Pacino
1989-90

CHINESE COFFEE by Ira Lewis
Staged: Workshop only
Director: Jack Gelber
Cast: Al Pacino, Dominic Chienese
1990-91

SALOME by Oscar Wilde
Staged: Circle in the Square, New York City (staged readings)
Director: Arvin Brown
Cast: Al Pacino, Molly Ringwald
1992

CHINESE COFFEE by Ira Lewis
Staged: Circle in the Square, New York City
Cast: Al Pacino
Opened: May 25 (previews), June 28 (regular performances)
Closed: July 29

SALOME by Oscar Wilde (double billing with "Chinese Coffee")
Staged: Circle in the Square, New York City
Cast: Al Pacino, Sheryl Lee
Opened: May 28 (previews), June 29 (regular performances)
Closed: August 1
1996

HUGHIE by Eugene O'Neill
Staged: Long Wharf Theater, New Haven, Connecticut
Director: Al Pacino
Cast: Al Pacino, Paul Benedict
Opened: June 2; three week run

HUGHIE by Eugene O'Neill
Staged: Circle in the Square Theater, New York City
Director: Al Pacino
Cast: Al Pacino, Paul Benedict
Opened: July 25 (previews), August 22 (regular performances)
Closed: November 2
1998????

THE ICEMAN COMETH by Eugene O'Neill
It's a long shot, but let's all pray it happens....!

Most of this information was taken from "Life on the Wire: The Life and Art of Al Pacino" by Andrew Yule.

[Gaandalf]

Cam multicele nu crezi ? Robert De Niro asta ... ?

[CIPRYX]

Sunt destule.. dar iata si un link interesant cu poze din piesele lui Pacino http://velvet_peach.tripod.com/apactheater.html

[CIPRYX]

Si inca unul...

http://www.dscohen.com/Articles/Pacino2.html

[LadyEowyin]

daca aveti sansa sa vedeti trailerul la Shark Tale, sa vedeti si dialogul dintre De Niro si Martin Scorsese. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[CIPRYX]

L-am vazut.Mi s-a parut tare haios Astept filmul.

[Gaandalf]

daca aveti sansa sa vedeti trailerul la Shark Tale, sa vedeti si dialogul dintre De Niro si Martin Scorsese. :lol: :lol: :lol:

chiar ca ... vai de capu meu ce tare faza, de abea ashtept. "what, what, what ? No u said what ? I think you said what! Why would i say What ?" :lol:

[nic_cage]

Nu cred ca se poate discuta diferenta dintre cei doi actori! Amandoi sunt FENOMENALI indiferent de ceea ce fac (film sau teatru) insa fiecare trebuie sa aiba un preferat! Cred ca cel mai indicat ar fi fost un poll! Mie , de exemplu imi place mai mult DE NIRO!

[Blue]

DeNiro nu a ales foarte diversificat dar totusi accepta tot ce-i cade prin mana pe cand Pacino este diversificat dar si-a pastrat linia. :shock: . Mda, am inteles tot, dar poate sunt eu mai greu de cap (stiu eu am zis-o).Uff, si ziceati ca eu scot topicuri nasoale!!LOL!! De Niro este mai bun dupa parerea mea. Macar a avut curaj sa interpreteze si altceva. Comediile in care a jucat au avut destul succes. Sunt doua personalitati puternice dar DeNiro este mai complex. Amandoi au facut cariera intruchipand mafioti - Al Pacino:Nasul I, II, II, Johnny Montana, Donnie Brasco;DeNiro:Nasul II, Once upon a time in America, Obsesia, Casino, etc. In fine, cine isi aduce aminte de vreun rol de-a lui Pacino in care sa nu tipe?? Nu cred ca exista, decat printre cele din tinerete. Pe cand , sa ne gandim putin la Promontoriul groazei, unde DeNiro a avut o transformare enorma as zice. As zice ca e cel mai bun rol a lui DeNiro. Nimic cu ce a facut pana atunci. Nu stiu , corectati-ma daca gresesc. Iar acum , cand se apropie de sfarsitul carierei sale accepta si altfel de roluri, incearca experiente noi. nu stiu , poate gresesc , dar cred ca face ceea ce trebuie.

[jackpot]

DeNiro nu a ales foarte diversificat dar totusi accepta tot ce-i cade prin mana pe cand Pacino este diversificat dar si-a pastrat linia. :shock: . Mda, am inteles tot, dar poate sunt eu mai greu de cap (stiu eu am zis-o).Uff, si ziceati ca eu scot topicuri nasoale!!LOL!! De Niro este mai bun dupa parerea mea. Macar a avut curaj sa interpreteze si altceva. Comediile in care a jucat au avut destul succes. Sunt doua personalitati puternice dar DeNiro este mai complex. Amandoi au facut cariera intruchipand mafioti - Al Pacino:Nasul I, II, II, Johnny Montana, Donnie Brasco;DeNiro:Nasul II, Once upon a time in America, Obsesia, Casino, etc. In fine, cine isi aduce aminte de vreun rol de-a lui Pacino in care sa nu tipe?? Nu cred ca exista, decat printre cele din tinerete. Pe cand , sa ne gandim putin la Promontoriul groazei, unde DeNiro a avut o transformare enorma as zice. As zice ca e cel mai bun rol a lui DeNiro. Nimic cu ce a facut pana atunci. Nu stiu , corectati-ma daca gresesc. Iar acum , cand se apropie de sfarsitul carierei sale accepta si altfel de roluri, incearca experiente noi. nu stiu , poate gresesc , dar cred ca face ceea ce trebuie.

De Niro accepta tot ce-i cade in mana? Ti-ar placea tie sa ti se ofere un contract de 25 de milioane de dolari? Nu cred ca e cazul la tine... Eu iti indic sa fii mai rezervat. Incearca sa-i vezi filmele lui De Niro, iar dupa aceea sa dai din papagal. Stii ce inseamna papagal nu? Pt. ca am vazut ca XXL nu stii...papagal inseamna.....pai uita-te in oglinda si o sa-ti dai seama.

[Terror_IST]

In primul rand personajul principal din Scarface era Tony Montana... (nu Johnny Montana)
Intr-adevar vorbim de doi actori foarte talentati dar total opusi! Credeti ca DeNiro ar fi putut sa joace la fel de bine in "Scent of a woman" sau Pacino la fel de bine in "Cape fear"? Eu nu cred... Fiecare are propriul stil cu care s-a impus: Pacino frenetic, exploziv, imprevizibil ("What life? I have no life! I'm in the dark!") DeNiro calm, calculat, rece ('All good things come to those who wait"). Pana si figurile lor exprima caractere diferite.Imi este foarte greu sa spun care e mai bun pentru ca nu am pe ce baza sa fac comparatia... Ambii pot juca o mare varietate de roluri dar fiecare realizeaza un personaj unic. Cum e Pacino gangster sau politist si cum e DeNiro in aceleasi roluri? Totusi nu-mi pot imagina pe DeNiro in "The Devil's Advocate" cu toate ca a interpretat Diavolul in "Angel Heart"! Sunt doua partituri diferite... Oare Pacino ar fi avut acelasi succes in comedii gen "Analyze this / that" sau "Showtime"? Daca Pacino nu prea face comedii asta e pur si simplu pentru ca nu e genul care i se potriveste cel mai bine. Asta nu inseamna ca DeNiro nu face niste comedii bune sau nu interpreteaza niste personaje simpatice! Oricum este vorba de doi monstrii sacrii ai cinematogarfiei care audat viata unor personaje de neuitat, care au fost premiati la cele mai prestigioase festivaluri, care au si jucat in filme mai slabe(de ce sa nu recunoastem?) dar care per ansamblu sunt foarte diferiti!

[maleva]

sunt de acord ca sunt doi actori uriasi si nu exista unitati de masura ca sa-i comparam..
totusi..e chestie de gusturi..
mie personal imi place mai mult pacino(in scent of a woman a fost fenomenal.. ).Imi place stilul lui mai nebun..
Pacino si DeNiro sunt asemanatori prin rolurile de mafioti, de personaje puternice, facute sa domin,desi cu stiluri diferite..

Totusi, mie mi-a fost destul de usor sa spun Pacino...Cred ca mi-ar fi fost mai greu sa aleg intre Pacino si Anthony Hopkins..

[VladRock]

Sincer,nici unu nu mi se pare axtraordinar.Pacino mi se pare mai serios in acesta meserie,dar De Niro poate juca mai usor orice tip de rol.Deci nici unu nu mi se pare mai bun ca altu.si oricum nici unu nu mi se pare un actor prea iesit din comun.

Parerea mea,care este!Ce cashcheta mea!!!

[Denis_stelistu]

Pai ce sa spun?Al Pacino si-a inceput cariera de actor in anii 70 in Nasul parca.Robert De Niro si el si-a inceput cariera tot prin anii 60.Robert De niro a avut 2 premii Oscar,iar Al pacino un premiu Oscar.Pacino a jucat in filme de actiune si drama,iar celalalt in filme de toate genurile.
Robert De Niro e mai tare decat Al Pacino.

[M0n0]

Dar de ce ne spui lucruri pe care le stim deja...pura curiozitate...

[Denis_stelistu]

Pai,am facut o comparatie.