Everything is illuminated

[illotempore2002]

pai nu noi am introdus notiunea. despre acest aspect se vorbeste in carte si film. putea fi orice altceva, dragostea la prima vedere, sexul in 3 etc ....

[miercuri]

C'est pas ca, miercuricio! Evreii au facut ravagii prin aparitia lor in aceste teritorii. Miscarea Legionara din Romania a aparut ca reactie la migratia lor puternica din Rusia, nu din Ucraina. Trecerea lor prin Ucraina a fost mai degraba acceptata de localnici, iar in razboi Antonescu a lasat special jidanii romani la vatra pentru a nu ne confrunta cu probleme de tradare in campanie.

Eu nu ma refeream la miscarea legionara, ma refeream la prezenta evreilor in numar foarte mare in Ucraina, inca de la atestarea din secolul VIII (pe vremea aceea Ucraina era de fapt Rusia Kieveana). In Odessa, sudul Ucrainei si Crimea au existat cum am zis comunitati evreiesti uriase. Nu poti sa negi faptul ca majoritatea evreilor care au emigrat pe timpul razboiului isi au radacinile in Polonia sau Ucraina. It's a fact.
A wiki link sper sa rezolve problema, e cat se poate de concis, cuprinzator si obiectiv.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ews_in_Ukraine

@illo - da, autorul chiar e evreu, iar romanul e bazat pe calatoria sa in Ucraina la 20 de ani, cand s-a intr-adevar dus sa caute satul bunicului lui

edit:

During the establishment of the Ukrainian People's Republic (1919-20), pogroms continued to be perpetrated on Ukrainian ethnic territory. In Ukraine itself, the number of civilian Jews killed during the period was estimated to be between 35 and 50 thousand. Archives declassified after 1991 provide evidence of a higher number; in the period from 1918 to 1921, "according to incomplete data, at least 100,000 Jews were killed in Ukraine in the pogroms." [6]

[illotempore2002]

Si Judex, in linkul pus de Miercuri mai sus scrie asa:

While at times they flourished, at other times they faced periods of intense antisemitic discriminatory policies and persecutions

[Judex]

Este pacat ca niste minti tinere sunt pervertite cu informatii tendentios filosemite care influenteaza in defavoarea nationalismului romanesc gandirea.

Si gata, daca veti continua sa-i cainati pe saracii jidani prigoniti prin Ucraina eu m-am plictisit de acest subiect.

On topic: filmul e misto.

[illotempore2002]

Judex, trebuie neaparat, dar neaparat sa faci rost de niste materiale de debate ceva.....stai prost detot la acest capitol. sorry, nimic personal. Tot neluminat ai ramas

[Judex]

Nu am chef de polemica azi. Am fost foarte energizat dimineata, acum m-a cuprins o toropeala nemaivazuta. Da, mi-e lene!!!

[illotempore2002]

In chestiunea discutata mai sus, well, This is the commencement of a very rigid search

redau o bucata din script-dialog-ul filmului:

And did your grandparents ever return to Ukraine?
God, no. My grandmother would go crazy if she knew I was here.
Why?
She didn't think it was safe.
She said that before the war, Ukraine was just as bad as Berlin.
Jews weren't exactly popular in Ukraine.
When the Nazis invaded, she actually thought it would be an improvement.
Who told you this?
My grandmother.
Why did she say this?
I don't know. It's just how she felt.
Grandfather...
...he says Ukrainians were anti-Semitic before the war.
Is it true?
Grandfather?
It's nice