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Well...ideea ar fi ca Pacino cred ca joaca mai bine teatru decat de Niro.Iar cu faptul ca Pacino nu e acomodat cu teatru...nu prea ma simt confortabil, nu prea cred.Pana nu-l vad eu nu stiu ce sa zic...
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Si inca un lucru...mea culpa :P ca n-am citit cu atentie mesajul lui Gaandalf.Am atribuit propozitia " A zis k nu se putea concentra..." acelui prof si de aici nelamurirea mea...graba e unul din defectele mele si n-am stat sa citesc cu atentie si restul mesajului.Insa imi sustin parerea din mesajele de mai sus.
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Originally Posted by CIPRYX:
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Al Pacino este un subiect vast...nu zic ca verisoara ta a batut campii, dar mi-e greu sa cred ca un actor de calibrul lui, obisnuit totusi cu teatrul, sa-i faca fata greu.Poate are unele deprinderi de la film, cum in film ii apar deprinderile din teatru, insa un actor prost de teatru nu cred ca are cum sa fie.Mai multe n-am ce sa zic ca nici nu m-am interesat...daca mai aflu ceva legat de subiectul asta...o sa va anunt.
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Iata o lista cu piesele in care a jucat Pacino:
1962 THE ADVENTURES OF HIGH JUMP(Children's Theater) Staged: Theater East, New York City Director: Julio Garzone Cast: Al Pacino JACK AND THE BEANSTALK(Children's Theater) Staged: Cafe Bizarre, New York City Director: Matt Clark Cast: Al Pacino 1963 HELLO, OUT THERE by William Saroyan Staged: Cafe Cino, New York City Director: Charlie Laughton Cast: Al Pacino, Owen Hollander, Jeanine Hagerty, Jim Bullet 1965 THE CREDITORS by August Strindberg Staged: The Actors' Gallery, New York City Director: Frank Backimarso, Charlie Laughton Cast: Al Pacino, Julie Crushnic 1966 WHY IS A CROOKED LETTER by Fred Vassi Staged: Alec Rubin's Theater of Encounter, West Seventy-second Street, New York City Director: Alec Rubin Cast: Al Pacino Obie nomination: Al Pacino THE INDIAN WANTS THE BRONX by Israel Horovitz (a one-act drama) Staged: Eugene O'Neill Memorial Theater, Waterford, Connecticut (workshop production) Director: Julio Garzone Cast: Al Pacino, John Cazale, Matthew Cowles THE PEACE CREEPS by John Wolfson Staged: New Theater Workshop Co., New York City Director: John Stix Cast: James Earl Jones, Al Pacino 1967 AWAKE AND SING! by Clifford Odets Staged: Charles Playhouse, Boston, Massachusetts Director: Michael Murray Cast: Al Pacino, Will Lee, Lynn Milgrim, John Seitz, Eda Reiss Merin AMERICA, HURRAH by Jean-Claude Van Itallie Staged: Charles Playhouse, Boston, Massachusetts Director: Michael Murray Cast: Al Pacino, John Seitz, Jill Clayburgh 1968 THE INDIAN WANTS THE BRONX by Israel Horovitz Staged: Astor Place Theater, New York City, in a double bill with Horovitz's "It's Called the Sugar Plum" (subsequently on tour: Spoleto Theater Festival, Italy) Director: James Hammerstein Cast: Al Pacino, John Cazale, Matthew Cowles Opened: January 17, 1968; 204 performances Best Actor Obie: Al Pacino; Best Supporting Actor Obie: John Cazale; Best New Play Obie: Israel Horovitz 1969 DOES A TIGER WEAR A NECKTIE? by Don Petersen Staged: Belasco Theater, New York City Director: Michael Schultz Cast: Hal Holbrook, David Opatoshu, Al Pacino, Lazaro Perez, Richard Bright Opened: February 25, 1969; 39 performances Best Dramatic Actor, Supporting Role Tony: Al Pacino THE LOCAL STIGMATIC by Heathcote Williams Staged: Actor's Playhouse, New York City Director: Arthur Storch (previously directed by Ralph Waite as an Actors' Studio Workshop production) Cast: Al Pacino, Michael Hadge, Joe Maher, Paul Benedict Opened: November 1969; 8 performances 1970 CAMINO REAL by Tennessee Williams Staged: Lincoln Center Repertory Theater, New York City Director: Milton Katselas Cast: Al Pacino, Susan Tyrrell, Jessica Tandy, Jean-Pierre Aumont RATS by Israel Horovits Staged: Charles Playhouse, Boston, Massachusetts (David Wheeler's Theater Company of Boston) Director: Al Pacino Cast: Jack Kehoe, Andrew Winner 1972 THE BASIC TRAINING OF PAVLO HUMMEL by David Rabe Staged: Charles Theater, Boston, Massachusetts (David Wheeler's Theater Company of Boston) Director: David Wheeler Cast: Al Pacino, Barry Snider, Jack Kehoe, Lance Henriksen, Richard Lynch, Ron Hunter, Richard Bright 1972-73 RICHARD III by William Shakespeare Staged: Loeb Drama Center, Boston, Massachusetts (December 1972) First Presbyterian Church, Boston, Massachusetts (January 1973) (David Wheeler's Theater Company of Boston) Director: David Wheeler Cast: Al Pacino, Penny Allen, Lance Henriksen, Han Egleson, Norman Ornellas 1975 THE RESISTIBLE RISE OF ARTURO UI by Bertolt Brecht Staged: Charle Playhouse, Boston, Massachusetts (David Wheeler's Theater Company of Boston) Director: David Wheeler Cast: Al Pacino, John Cazale, Penny Allen, Sully Boyar, Garry Goodrow, Jack Hollander, Jaime Sanchez, Brad Sullivan Taylor Mead, Paul Benedict 1976 THE LOCAL STIGMATIC by Heathcote Williams Staged: Joe Papp's Public Theater, New York City Director: David Wheeler Cast: Al Pacino, John Cazale, Joe Maher, Jake Dengel 1977 THE BASIC TRAINING OF PAVLO HUMMEL by David Rabe Staged: Longacre Theater, New York City (David Wheeler's Theater Company of Boston) Director: David Wheeler Cast: Al Pacino, Walter Lott, Jack Kehoe, Lance Henriksen, Richard Lynch, Richard Bright, Larry Bryggman, Paul Guilfoyle, Ron Hunter, Brad Sullivan, Rebecca Dark Tisa Chan Opened: April 14 (previews), April 24 (regular performances) Closed: September 3 (117 performances) Best Dramatic Actor Tony: Al Pacino 1979 HAMLET by William Shakespeare Staged: Joe Papp's New York Shakespeare Festival Theater (workshop only) Director: Joe Papp Cast: Al Pacino, Meryl Streep, Christopher Walken, Raul Julia THE JUNGLE OF THE CITIES by Bertolt Brecht Staged: Circle in the Square, New York City (staged readings only) Director: Liviu Ciulei Cast: Al Pacino OTHELLO by William Shakespeare Staged: Lincoln Center Vivian Beaumont Theater, New York City (rehearsals only) Director: Arthur Sherman Cast: Al Pacino, Ron Liebman RIGHARD III by William Shakespeare Staged: Cort Theater, New York City Director: David Wheeler Cast: Al Pacino, Penny Allen, Lance Henriksen, Max Wright, Paul Guilfoyle, Larry Bryggman, Paul Benedict, Ron Hunter, Richard Bright Opened: June 10, 1979 (following 25 previews) Closed: July 15, 1979 (33 nonpreview performances) 1980 AMERICAN BUFFALO by David Mamet Staged: Long Wharf Theater Company, New Haven, Connecticut Director: Arvin Brown Cast: Al Pacino, Clifton James, Thomas Waites, Opened: October 1980; five-week run 1982 AMERICAN BUFFALO by David Mamet Staged: Downtown Circle in the Square, New York City Director: Arvin Brown Cast: Al Pacino, J.J. Johnson, Thomas Waites Opened: February 17, 1982 (previews). February 25, 1982 (regular performances) Closed: July 11, 1982 THE HAIRY APE by Eugene O'Neill Staged: Circle in the Square, New York City (workshop rehearsals only) Director: Ted Mann Cast: Al Pacino 1983-84 AMERICAN BUFFALO by David Mamet Staged: Kennedy Center for Performing Arts, Washington, D.C., then Booth Theater, New York City Director: Arvin Brown Cast: Al Pacino, J.J. Jhonson, James Hayden, Bruce MacVittie Opened: October 20 (previews), October 27 (regular performances) Closed: February 4, 1984 (102 performances) 1984 AMERICAN BUFFALO by David Mamet Staged: Duke of York's Theatre, London Director: Arvin Brown Cast: Al Pacino, J.J. Johnson, Bruce MacVittie 1986-87 JULIUS CAESAR by William Shakespeare Staged: Joe Papp's New York Shakespeare Festival Theater Director: Stuart Vaughan Cast: Al Pacino, Martin Sheen, Edward Herrmann CRYSTAL CLEAR devised by Phil Young (originally created through improvisation with Anthony Allen, Philomena McDonagh and Diana Barrett) Staged: Workshop only, subsequently abandoned Director: Phil Young Cast: Al Pacino 1988 NATIONAL ANTHEM by Dennis McIntyre Staged: On-book reading, New Haven, Connecticut Director: Arvin Brown Cast: Al Pacino 1989-90 CHINESE COFFEE by Ira Lewis Staged: Workshop only Director: Jack Gelber Cast: Al Pacino, Dominic Chienese 1990-91 SALOME by Oscar Wilde Staged: Circle in the Square, New York City (staged readings) Director: Arvin Brown Cast: Al Pacino, Molly Ringwald 1992 CHINESE COFFEE by Ira Lewis Staged: Circle in the Square, New York City Cast: Al Pacino Opened: May 25 (previews), June 28 (regular performances) Closed: July 29 SALOME by Oscar Wilde (double billing with "Chinese Coffee") Staged: Circle in the Square, New York City Cast: Al Pacino, Sheryl Lee Opened: May 28 (previews), June 29 (regular performances) Closed: August 1 1996 HUGHIE by Eugene O'Neill Staged: Long Wharf Theater, New Haven, Connecticut Director: Al Pacino Cast: Al Pacino, Paul Benedict Opened: June 2; three week run HUGHIE by Eugene O'Neill Staged: Circle in the Square Theater, New York City Director: Al Pacino Cast: Al Pacino, Paul Benedict Opened: July 25 (previews), August 22 (regular performances) Closed: November 2 1998???? THE ICEMAN COMETH by Eugene O'Neill It's a long shot, but let's all pray it happens....! Most of this information was taken from "Life on the Wire: The Life and Art of Al Pacino" by Andrew Yule. |
Cam multicele nu crezi ? Robert De Niro asta ... ? :D
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Sunt destule.. :P dar iata si un link interesant cu poze din piesele lui Pacino http://velvet_peach.tripod.com/apactheater.html
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daca aveti sansa sa vedeti trailerul la Shark Tale, sa vedeti si dialogul dintre De Niro si Martin Scorsese. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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L-am vazut.Mi s-a parut tare haios :D Astept filmul.
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Originally Posted by LadyEowyin:
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Nu cred ca se poate discuta diferenta dintre cei doi actori! Amandoi sunt FENOMENALI indiferent de ceea ce fac (film sau teatru) insa fiecare trebuie sa aiba un preferat! Cred ca cel mai indicat ar fi fost un poll! Mie , de exemplu imi place mai mult DE NIRO!
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What?? What??
DeNiro nu a ales foarte diversificat dar totusi accepta tot ce-i cade prin mana pe cand Pacino este diversificat dar si-a pastrat linia. :shock: . Mda, am inteles tot, dar poate sunt eu mai greu de cap (stiu eu am zis-o).Uff, si ziceati ca eu scot topicuri nasoale!!LOL!! De Niro este mai bun dupa parerea mea. Macar a avut curaj sa interpreteze si altceva. Comediile in care a jucat au avut destul succes. Sunt doua personalitati puternice dar DeNiro este mai complex. Amandoi au facut cariera intruchipand mafioti - Al Pacino:Nasul I, II, II, Johnny Montana, Donnie Brasco;DeNiro:Nasul II, Once upon a time in America, Obsesia, Casino, etc. In fine, cine isi aduce aminte de vreun rol de-a lui Pacino in care sa nu tipe?? Nu cred ca exista, decat printre cele din tinerete. Pe cand , sa ne gandim putin la Promontoriul groazei, unde DeNiro a avut o transformare enorma as zice. As zice ca e cel mai bun rol a lui DeNiro. Nimic cu ce a facut pana atunci. Nu stiu , corectati-ma daca gresesc. Iar acum , cand se apropie de sfarsitul carierei sale accepta si altfel de roluri, incearca experiente noi. nu stiu , poate gresesc , dar cred ca face ceea ce trebuie.
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Re: What?? What??
Originally Posted by Blue:
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In primul rand personajul principal din Scarface era Tony Montana... (nu Johnny Montana)
Intr-adevar vorbim de doi actori foarte talentati dar total opusi! Credeti ca DeNiro ar fi putut sa joace la fel de bine in "Scent of a woman" sau Pacino la fel de bine in "Cape fear"? Eu nu cred... Fiecare are propriul stil cu care s-a impus: Pacino frenetic, exploziv, imprevizibil ("What life? I have no life! I'm in the dark!") DeNiro calm, calculat, rece ('All good things come to those who wait"). Pana si figurile lor exprima caractere diferite.Imi este foarte greu sa spun care e mai bun pentru ca nu am pe ce baza sa fac comparatia... Ambii pot juca o mare varietate de roluri dar fiecare realizeaza un personaj unic. Cum e Pacino gangster sau politist si cum e DeNiro in aceleasi roluri? Totusi nu-mi pot imagina pe DeNiro in "The Devil's Advocate" cu toate ca a interpretat Diavolul in "Angel Heart"! Sunt doua partituri diferite... Oare Pacino ar fi avut acelasi succes in comedii gen "Analyze this / that" sau "Showtime"? Daca Pacino nu prea face comedii asta e pur si simplu pentru ca nu e genul care i se potriveste cel mai bine. Asta nu inseamna ca DeNiro nu face niste comedii bune sau nu interpreteaza niste personaje simpatice! Oricum este vorba de doi monstrii sacrii ai cinematogarfiei care audat viata unor personaje de neuitat, care au fost premiati la cele mai prestigioase festivaluri, care au si jucat in filme mai slabe(de ce sa nu recunoastem?) dar care per ansamblu sunt foarte diferiti! |
sunt de acord ca sunt doi actori uriasi si nu exista unitati de masura ca sa-i comparam..
totusi..e chestie de gusturi.. mie personal imi place mai mult pacino(in scent of a woman a fost fenomenal.. ).Imi place stilul lui mai nebun.. Pacino si DeNiro sunt asemanatori prin rolurile de mafioti, de personaje puternice, facute sa domin,desi cu stiluri diferite.. Totusi, mie mi-a fost destul de usor sa spun Pacino...Cred ca mi-ar fi fost mai greu sa aleg intre Pacino si Anthony Hopkins.. |
Sincer,nici unu nu mi se pare axtraordinar.Pacino mi se pare mai serios in acesta meserie,dar De Niro poate juca mai usor orice tip de rol.Deci nici unu nu mi se pare mai bun ca altu.si oricum nici unu nu mi se pare un actor prea iesit din comun.
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Pai ce sa spun?Al Pacino si-a inceput cariera de actor in anii 70 in Nasul parca.Robert De Niro si el si-a inceput cariera tot prin anii 60.Robert De niro a avut 2 premii Oscar,iar Al pacino un premiu Oscar.Pacino a jucat in filme de actiune si drama,iar celalalt in filme de toate genurile.
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Dar de ce ne spui lucruri pe care le stim deja...pura curiozitate... :)
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Pai,am facut o comparatie.
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